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New Yorkers Learn the Troubles Posed by Sea Level Rise Flow Far Beyond Manhattan
NY Times ^ | November 19, 2010 | NATHANIAL GRONEWOLD

Posted on 11/20/2010 10:21:47 PM PST by neverdem

By NATHANIAL GRONEWOLD of ClimateWire NEW YORK -- New York state is beginning to take the threat of sea level rise attributed to climate change seriously as a new government prepares to settle in next year.

Starting Monday, state officials in Albany will gather with members of the public to discuss a recently released 93-page report that recommends major changes to development planning and conservation along coastlines from the tip of Long Island all way up the Hudson River Valley.

Any reforms to come from the process, starting next week, would affect about 62 percent of New York state's population, the proportion estimated to reside now in areas that could be hard hit as rising land and ocean temperatures raise average sea levels around the globe.

"We've had an enormous variety of partners involved in this project," said Kristen Marcell, special projects coordinator at the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. "We do have to take leadership from the new government, but I think there's a lot of support in the state agencies for these recommendations and making sure that we're heading in the right direction."

Among other changes, report authors say some rural infrastructure should be relocated away from coastlines, while new and existing buildings in the densely packed New York City metropolitan region should be reconfigured to allow for periodic flooding and sea intrusion. Planners also need to quickly come up with solutions to guard underground infrastructure, especially the flood-prone New York City subway and underground utility cables and pipes.

Those and other recommendations put forth to the governor and state Legislature are the work of the New York State Sea Level Rise Task Force, a body established by the Legislature in 2007 and charged with assessing the overall threat climate change poses to New York...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: agw; catastrophism; climatechange; climatechangescam; ecofraud; globalwarming; globalwarmingscam; newyork; planetgore; sealevelrise
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To: Soothesayer
They read at the 6th grade level, they do maths at the 4th, and they just KNOW the seas will flood Manhattan.

These people thrive in crises. They can't just live happily because then they become unnecessary. So they invent endless problems out of whole cloth and then heroically fight them. In the end the threat doesn't materialize and they reward each other for the job well done. For details see Lisa and her rock that keeps tigers away.

But if we want to get technical, it's doable too. 70% of Earth surface is water, and the mean radius of the planet is 6,371.0 km. A partial hollow sphere with the inner radius 6371 km and the outer radius 6371.001 km (for water rise of about 3.3', or 1 meter) and 70% coverage has volume of:

4/3 * π * (6371.0013 - 6371.0003) * 70%

That gives the answer: 377 thousand cubic kilometers, or a hundred million billion gallons, or 29 times larger than the volume of Lake Superior.

Now, let's calculate - just for fun - how much energy is needed to melt that much ice (assuming that the temperature was and remains at zero degrees Celsius.)

The heat of fusion for water is 333.55 kJ/kg, and we just calculated that we need 3.57×1017 liters of water. Let's ignore the difference in density here, it's small. The energy needed to melt that much ice is ...

3.57×1017 * 3.3355×105 = 1.19×1023 Joules.

To compare, this energy release is equivalent to about two million explosions of the Castle/Bravo, the largest thermonuclear device that was ever exploded by the USA.

21 posted on 11/20/2010 11:53:24 PM PST by Greysard
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To: neverdem

Stupid libs who take the climate change scam seriously.

Ka-ching!


22 posted on 11/21/2010 12:21:32 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Greysard
So they invent endless problems out of whole cloth

In order to justify the existence of their make-work jobs fabricated out of the whole-cloth of environmental catastrophism...

23 posted on 11/21/2010 12:55:15 AM PST by x_plus_one (Democrats delenda est)
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To: neverdem

They needed Cuomo to get in before they pulled this 93 page report off the shelf.

Paladino would laugh them out of his office.


24 posted on 11/21/2010 1:06:56 AM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: neverdem

Sea level has been rising at a steady rate in New York since they’ve been taking measurements:

http://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/stations/12.php


25 posted on 11/21/2010 3:46:19 AM PST by StACase (Global Warming is CRAP!)
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To: neverdem; Clive; scripter; Darnright; WL-law; bamahead; carolinablonde; SolitaryMan; rdl6989; ...
Thanx neverdem !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

26 posted on 11/21/2010 3:51:58 AM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: convertedtoreason
"The man who promised that “OCEANS WILL RISE” is the One currently seating in the White House."

Actually, no.

".... this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow ..."
27 posted on 11/21/2010 5:38:35 AM PST by AndrewB (FUBO)
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To: Hildy

Oh, goody! Now Bloomberg will have something else to worry about rather than deal with the garbage and graffiti creeping back into my neighborhood.


28 posted on 11/21/2010 5:55:33 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Greysard

Oh it could melt.

And, in 100 years, IF - big “if” there! - current sea level increases continue at their current rate - it “might” raise sea levels by a whole 20 inches.

The entire report is meant to control and to scare the readers. NEVER in this article is the real number mentioned. Because the writers don’t want the real number mentioned.


29 posted on 11/21/2010 5:56:44 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: vbmoneyspender

Hey; I’m getting taxed for ocean front property here in VT already !


30 posted on 11/21/2010 5:58:05 AM PST by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: neverdem
Most liberals reside in regions very close to the sea—the very first land based life forms supposedly came ashore from the sea so it stands to reason the most primitive intellects would wish to be close to their origins.

Rising sea levels would be a blessing as these primitive Leftist life forms would be forced to climb above the waters and above their ignorance in order to assimilate with the superior intellects inland.

But man caused global warming is an empirically proved hoax so the idiots on the coasts will continue to agitate and irritate.

31 posted on 11/21/2010 6:12:34 AM PST by Happy Rain ("GO GAMECOCKS--THE REAL USC!!!")
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To: neverdem
New York state wants to focus on GW because it's much easier than the pile of major problems facing them.
32 posted on 11/21/2010 6:14:09 AM PST by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


33 posted on 11/21/2010 6:42:55 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: StACase
Interesting data. It suggests a rise of a bit less than 8 inches in 150 years. It is also interesting to note that the rise seems fairly steady, i.e. no appreciable acceleration as per the phony "hockey stick".

BTW, not knowing how they take the measurement, is it possible that the land mass is sinking?

34 posted on 11/21/2010 6:54:59 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: neverdem

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

H. L. Mencken


35 posted on 11/21/2010 7:08:35 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Socialists are to economics what circle squarers are to math; undaunted by reason or derision.)
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To: AndrewB

Oh, yeah!

I stand corrected he he he he.

Likewise I rectify my argument like this:

NEW YORKERS ARE LIARS! OBAMA SAID THE OCEAN ALREADY RECEDED UPON HIS ARRIVAL TO THE WHITE HOUSE!

NO? SO OBAMA LIED THEN?

But what we can be sure of is this: NEWYORKERS AND OBAMA LIED.


36 posted on 11/21/2010 7:57:33 AM PST by convertedtoreason ( Nature tells us to take a LIBERTARIAN CONSERVATIVE stance)
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To: neverdem

Many news stories these days are actually nonstories. They’re stories about the fulminations of a person’s — the storywriter’s — psychosis, not about actual events.

What sea level rise? Has it risen ANY? What are the data on that? If there were an actual rise, and if it had been measured, then there might be some grounds for such a story.

But there isn’t any sea level rise. Instead, it’s hypothetical. Since when do hypotheses constitute news? Being hypothetical, it exists only in the writer’s head. And because it isn’t real, that’s the basis for concluding that the writer is psychotic — removed from reality.


37 posted on 11/21/2010 8:38:33 AM PST by Jay W
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To: facedown

Someone should plot of graph of the population of New York versus the sea level rise. Of course you will see a trend. Then we demand people leave NYC and take down tall buildings to stop the sinking. Call it ‘Cap and Trade’. (yet I know it is built on bedrock...but don’t let science stand in front of a good story)


38 posted on 11/21/2010 9:10:09 AM PST by GWynand
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To: All
Ya know, for us upstaters this might be good news losing NYC. No offense to the conservatives down there.
39 posted on 11/21/2010 9:44:42 AM PST by Wilum (Never loaded a nuke I didn't like)
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To: neverdem

NYC in AI

40 posted on 11/21/2010 12:09:13 PM PST by eleni121 (http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm Father Daniil Sysoyev lives!)
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