The arrogance of people like you, aruanan, is absolutely breathtaking. You REALLY think a whole helluva lot of people are either outright liars or very, very stupid, much stupider than you, so very stupid that they can't see what is to you obvious upon reflection and studying the take on a website created by a rather suspicious person or group, where you have ZERO proof that the still shots from LB are of the same event and which indeed look very much like they're NOT. And they're taken from Long Beach, about 25 miles south-east (and behind a large and prominent Palos Verdes range of bluffs and hills) of where the video cameranan reportedly was. Looking at that photo on contrailscience and comparing it with the video and saying they're of the same event is ... well, you can contort your thinking to buy if if you want, that but that's your business.
You actually think that your armchair web-breezing of photos and the conclusions you draw from it, are better than the armchair opining of a) Air Force generals; b)editor of Jane's, the definitive word in defense missiles; c) dozens of FReepers who claim military experience working with missiles (I have read pretty much post on every single thread on this issue -- have you?); d) FReepers who are close to the same; e) FReepers with life-long experience watching live missile shots and who have spent decades, if not whole lifetimes, around the busy skies of the L.A. area and know contrails when the see them; and f) a professional camerman with 11 years of experience flying and filming in L.A. area skies --
-- YOU people all think you're quite a lot smarter than these other folks. TWO of you I know (because I believe you) have actually seen missile launches and are familiar with the L.A. area, its geography and coastal skies, Names Ash more than most, but NAH lives in San Diego, not "here" as repeatedly claimed on these threads. As for the rest of you -- really, I'm curious. I wish you'd respond in a five-word post with a simple yes or no to these questions:
1. Have you ever watched a missile launch live?
2. Have you watched more than five missile launches live from a range of 160 miles or less?
3. Have you lived for a year or more in the greater L.A. area from Malibu to Newport Beach within 25 or 30 miles of the coast?
4. Have you watched both airplanes and missile launches with the aid of binoculars?
5. Have you watched this video?
All I can say is the cameraman must be a moron of titanic proportions of he, professional that he is and equipped with all manner of zoom lenses (see, this is where those of us with actual EXPERIENCE using binoculars while watching planes and missile launches gets how absurd the "camerman was fooled!" argument is) was duped into thinking this was a commercial airliner.
Frankly, you folks who want to believe that it's an airliner can go ahead and believe it, but many of us here know who's kidding who.
OK, I will answer:
1 Yes
2 Yes
3 Yes
4 Yes, for 40 years !!!
5 Yes - there used to be a better video out there.
If the skies around LA are so busy, how come only 1 or 2 people in a helicopter reported a missile shot? IMHO this is the #1 reason to doubt the missile theory.
The fact that there are NO OTHER WITNESSES of the original event indicates that perhaps this did not look like a missile from other angles or to those who were able to watch it for a while.
“Names Ash more than most, but NAH lives in San Diego, not “here” as repeatedly claimed on these threads.”
What part of the concept that aircraft FLY to other places do you not understand?
It’s ALL SoCal airspace sir. Don’t you think I fly beyond my little patch here? Would you like to see my logbook!
Look, I have seen all the elements of this illusion first hand. That is my experience. I agreed with the contrail assessment as soon as I saw the video myself.
That’s my view of this and it was greatly re-enforced by eh fact that few if any saw this illusion beyond a very small area.
My very first thought... too slow for a rocket.
And yes, I’ve seen ROCKETS launch out of Vandenberg dozens of times over my life here yes from LA a few times.
Oh wait all those agencys are coordinating and lying to hide this massive event!
Again...
Aircraft FLY places. Please understand pilots do not just do touch and go’s all day.
By deafault by insisting this was a rocket..you choose to believe that dozens of federal agencys and others coordinated within hours to do a massive coverup involving thousands of people.
That NASA is lying about weather satellite data that showed it was an aircraft contrail?
You really think that?
Because it is getting 9-11 troother whacko at that point.
More problems with the fake gif animation. UPS902 was never due west of Long Beach. Never close to where the sun set when viewed from Long Beach. Hawaii is southwest of Long Beach. That flight was coming up from the southwest. It was 35 miles south of Long Beach at 29-30 k feet altitude. The plume he imaged began near to sunset point from his perspective.
And how in the world can a photographer imaging the sunset catch a plane 35 miles to his south at 30 k altitidue so clearly and so large ? Especially when they have focused on the distant sunset plume ? Those images are real bad fakes. And you can rework the process he used. He connected the plane-like object to the plume, then distorted both while connected to the left. The plane object was on a programmed flight path. The plume was moving in the wind. They should not have moved together. Obvious cheap photoshop trick.