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Iran, Venezuela plan to build rival to Panama Canal
Haaretz.com ^ | 13 Nov 2010 | Shlomo Papirblat

Posted on 11/13/2010 6:59:02 AM PST by mandaladon

The recent border dispute between Costa Rica and Nicaragua is a sign of an ambitious plan by Venezuela, Iran and Nicaragua to create a "Nicaragua Canal" linking the Atlantic and Pacific oceans that would rival the existing Panama Canal.

Costa Rica says that last week Nicaraguan troops entered its territory along the San Juan River – the border between the two nations. Nicaragua had been conducting channel deepening work on the river when the incident occurred. Sources in Latin America have told Haaretz that the border incident and the military pressure on Costa Rica, a country without an army, are the first step in a plan formulated by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega, with funding and assistance from Iran, to create a substitute for the strategically and economically important Panama Canal.

The plan has aroused concern in Washington, and the U.S. has started behind the scenes efforts to foil it.

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To: Cheburashka

Thanks..will it accomodate the US CVNs and the largest container ships?


21 posted on 11/13/2010 8:09:47 AM PST by ken5050 (I don't need sex.....the government screws me every day..)
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To: Thermalseeker

Building this canal would easier than the Panama canal since it would be using the San Juan river and it would be at sea level. Check out the map.


22 posted on 11/13/2010 8:11:34 AM PST by mandaladon
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To: ken5050

According to Null and Void, above, no.


23 posted on 11/13/2010 8:15:06 AM PST by Cheburashka (Democratic Underground - the Hogwarts of Stupid.)
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To: null and void

My granddaughter lives in Costa Rica—they are very upset about this and realize that because they have no army, they are going to have to depend upon the kindness of others to stop the Nicaraguans.

As a side note, Nicaraguans are despised by Ticos. If someone is living like a bum or commits petty crime, they are automatically Nicaraguans.

I have read that there are all kinds of problems that go along with the building of a sea-level canal. One is that the tides of the Caribbean and the Pacific are different thus causing a current in the canal. Another problem is Pacific flora and fauna being introduced into the Atlantic and vice versa. Doubt if Venezuela, Iran and Nicaragua are going to issue an environmental impact study.


24 posted on 11/13/2010 8:19:09 AM PST by hanamizu
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To: Cheburashka

Seems silly..though I don’t know what the engireering parfameters are. But it you’re gonna build a new canal..you’d want to be able to handle the huge new container ships...they’d be willing to pay a fortune in transit fees..also, re the border ncident and the river, I recall reading somewheres that the PC expansion had to be redesigned..( the locks) because there isn’t enough water in Gatun lake to handle everything..


25 posted on 11/13/2010 8:22:25 AM PST by ken5050 (I don't need sex.....the government screws me every day..)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

It seems to me that someone should ping you to this thread...


26 posted on 11/13/2010 8:28:57 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 662 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: hanamizu
My granddaughter lives in Costa Rica—they are very upset about this and realize that because they have no army, they are going to have to depend upon the kindness of others to stop the Nicaraguans.

Not to worry, I'm sure obama will oppose Amadinajhad and Chavéz...

27 posted on 11/13/2010 8:35:30 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 662 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: ken5050

Unless you’re willing to take the financial hit to exclude supercarriers.


28 posted on 11/13/2010 8:36:48 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 662 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: mandaladon

Governments come and go so we have no idea who will hate us and who will like us in 30 years. Having a second canal, despite the environmental issues, sounds like a good idea. As Americans, we should be wary of any monopolies, such as now exists with Panama.

Pros:
1. A new canal may be able to accommodate giant ships and our aircraft carriers.
2. The new canal may not need locks, which will speed up transport.
3. Competition with Panama will lower prices.
4. Someone else is building it, which complies with Carter’s promise to the Panamanians that we would not be involved with building a competing canal.
5. Someone else is paying for it.


29 posted on 11/13/2010 8:51:52 AM PST by Rybashka
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To: hanamizu
Nicaraguans are rotten little trolls, almost to a person.

They're like the dwarfs in the Lord of the Rings movies, only less loyal and industrious. And not as well animated.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

30 posted on 11/13/2010 8:54:48 AM PST by The Comedian (I enjoy progressives, especially in a light cream sauce.)
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To: The Comedian
Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!
31 posted on 11/13/2010 9:07:29 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 662 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: mandaladon

Some where in my stuff I have a map of a US Navy study of a canal via Nicaragua made many years ago.

Talk and maps are cheap. Ability and action are costly

Neither Venezuela nor Iran are maritime nations


32 posted on 11/13/2010 9:13:20 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: mandaladon

Some where in my stuff I have a map of a US Navy study of a canal via Nicaragua made many years ago.

Talk and maps are cheap. Ability and action are costly

Neither Venezuela nor Iran are maritime nations


33 posted on 11/13/2010 9:13:32 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: PLMerite
Interesting excuse to have a couple thousand Iranian RevGuards within striking distance of the real canal.

Iran doesn't have the ability to supply a combat force outside of its borders. Neither does Chavez.

34 posted on 11/13/2010 9:22:54 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: mandaladon
What are they going to pay for it with? The Venezuelan economy is going down the toilet and Iran, in spite of its oil wealth, has to import gasoline back from countries that have the infrastructure to refine it. Good luck to ya.
35 posted on 11/13/2010 9:27:44 AM PST by ExpatCanuck
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To: null and void
"BUT the narrow Panama Canal (which they own)....

Uhhhh....no.....they don't own it.

36 posted on 11/13/2010 9:39:57 AM PST by diogenes ghost
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To: diogenes ghost

Correct. Control both ends of.


37 posted on 11/13/2010 9:46:28 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 662 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: mandaladon

If it were that easy, the first canal would have been built there.


38 posted on 11/13/2010 10:38:11 AM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: null and void

Hi, null and void. Good to hear from you.

The huge mistake/lie I found in this article was the following:

“The transit fees paid by the ships and other canal-related activities account for 75 percent of the annual revenues of Panama’s economy.”

All the fees the Canal makes is plowed right back into the Canal for maintenance, purchase new expensive equipment, etc.

The Canal is expensive to run and maintain. Not one penny goes outside of it. We Americans are also surprised there is no graft.

I had a good laugh when I got into the article: Venezuela, Iran, and Nicaragua and Mr. Pastora are going to make this happen. With what money? Building canals and maintaining them do not come cheap.

A Freeper above got it right about the tides. Because of the Bay of Panama, the tides on the Pacific side run a great deal higher and lower than the ties on the Atlanic side which are just a matter of 3 feet or so on the Atlantic. (I am not familiar with the tides in Nicaragua and Costa Rica or what kind of bays they have if any….I just haven’t studied it. We couldn’t have just cut through the cordillera making it a sea level canal. Further, even then, seawater running down the middle of the country would have been a disaster.

Even when they started to build the Canal, no plan was yet in place whether it was going to be sea level or otherwise.

Panama does not have a standing army either. But I promise you, if anybody from the outside looks at the Panama Canal with hungry eyes, the U.S. will on them like white on rice.

Forgive me if you find errors in my post. I just haven’t been feeling well for several days.

My best to you.

P.S.

If I find some articles about this on the Panama side, I will share them with you.


39 posted on 11/13/2010 1:35:06 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: The Comedian

That’s a pretty racist comment. Not everyone is the same.


40 posted on 11/13/2010 3:05:52 PM PST by mandaladon
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