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Jim DeMint: “You can’t be a fiscal conservative and not be a social conservative”
Hot Air ^ | NOVEMBER 9, 2010 | ALLAHPUNDIT

Posted on 11/09/2010 9:48:47 PM PST by RobinMasters

That’s the money line from tonight’s Fox News “12 in ’12″ presidential profile; skip ahead to 3:00 if you don’t want to watch it all. He made this same point, albeit in a more elaborate way, at the Values Voter Summit in September. Let me gently suggest that this bumper-sticker version is doing him no favors, since it can’t help but alienate every last libertarian who sees it.

His idea, as explained in greater detail at the VVS, is that God and government are forever jockeying for position as moral beacons in the public’s imagination. The bigger government gets, the smaller God gets, and vice versa, so if you’re eager to shrink state bureaucracy and promote self-reliance, expect people to react by looking elsewhere for moral guidance — like, say, back to traditional Judeo-Christian values.

Thus are all fiscal cons also social cons, whether wittingly or not. And in fairness, that idea isn’t completely out of left field: There is indeed a relationship between God and government in the average person’s mind, although the touchstone is security, not morality.

The less stable a government is, apparently, the more one turns to faith for reassurance that everything will be okay. The universe requires order and one or the other will provide it psychologically.

(The U.S. is a notable exception to the either/or rule.) Which makes me wonder, how many fiscal cons support shrinking government because it means greater freedom for its own sake and how many support it simply as a means of moving people over to a different security blanket that they prefer?

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 11/09/2010 9:48:48 PM PST by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

THE LINK : http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/09/jim-demint-you-cant-be-a-fiscal-conservative-and-not-be-a-social-conservative/


2 posted on 11/09/2010 9:49:17 PM PST by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

THE LINK : http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/09/jim-demint-you-cant-be-a-fiscal-conservative-and-not-be-a-social-conservative/


3 posted on 11/09/2010 9:49:45 PM PST by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

He’s gearing up to run.


4 posted on 11/09/2010 9:53:30 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: RobinMasters

Uh oh. Before I start to read this article, I see that it’s written by that jerk allahpundit.


5 posted on 11/09/2010 9:57:55 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (So many barf alerts, so little time....)
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To: RobinMasters

He has a point. You can’t advocate social mores that stress government budgets at all levels, and claim to be fiscally conservative.


6 posted on 11/09/2010 9:58:08 PM PST by Minn
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To: RobinMasters

DeMit speaks the truth, IMHO


7 posted on 11/09/2010 9:58:09 PM PST by J Edgar
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To: RobinMasters
I guess it depends on what you mean by social conservative. Does social conservatism mean opposing abortion on demand, or does it also mean temperance and sodomy laws?

This sounds like a lot of the stuff that Farah been spewing lately; basically trying to morph the Tea Party into a huge evangelical religious revival.

I hope they fail, because otherwise the Tea Party fails.

8 posted on 11/09/2010 10:00:07 PM PST by GunRunner
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To: RobinMasters; xzins; blue-duncan; wagglebee
Let me gently suggest that this bumper-sticker version is doing him no favors, since it can’t help but alienate every last libertarian who sees it.

The difference between a libertarian and a liberal is that the libertarian wants the right to sell drugs and the liberal wants use them and have the government pay for them.

9 posted on 11/09/2010 10:03:47 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: RobinMasters
DeMint is right. If you are a Constitutional Conservative, then you honor both life and liberty. Life meaning human life and liberty meaning the freedom to live and work without the government boot at your neck.

He is right, they can not be separated.

10 posted on 11/09/2010 10:03:53 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: RobinMasters

If Jim DeMint actually said it then I disagree with him.

Chris Christie is an obvious refutation.

Sarah Palin would never say anything that dumb, so maybe she’s a better 2012 candidate than Jim DeMint.


11 posted on 11/09/2010 10:04:34 PM PST by devere
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To: GunRunner

I thought that was Beck trying to do that.


12 posted on 11/09/2010 10:10:06 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: GunRunner

No, it not about passing laws that compel moral behavior, but it is about advocating a strong moral message.

A morally disordered people results in a disordered society that requires a strong government to come in and maintain order.

The best way to ensure a small government with few regulations is to have a society of mostly moral and responsible people.


13 posted on 11/09/2010 10:10:46 PM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: RobinMasters

That is something I say a lot.

Nothing is more fiscally conservative than social conservatism.


14 posted on 11/09/2010 10:14:03 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: RobinMasters

I would put it this way: if you’re a fiscal conservative, then you’re also a social conservative whether you know it or not.


15 posted on 11/09/2010 10:14:05 PM PST by denydenydeny (Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak-Adams)
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To: devere
>> Chris Christie is an obvious refutation. <<

Chris Christie is 100% pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, pro-school vouchers, and anti-euthanasia & anti-embryonic stem cell research, in addition to being a fiscal conservative.

Try again.

16 posted on 11/09/2010 10:18:06 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: devere
Chris Christie is an obvious refutation.

How's that? Christie used his fiscal conservatism to support his social conservatism by cutting Planned Parenthood out of the NJ State budget.

17 posted on 11/09/2010 10:19:38 PM PST by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: Truthsearcher

Just as John Adams said was required.


18 posted on 11/09/2010 10:25:43 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: RobinMasters

We’ll say it this way:

If one is merely a fiscal conservative and believes the country will fare well without social conservatism to go along with it, then eventually his fiscal conservatism will fail him and the country.


19 posted on 11/09/2010 10:27:41 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: BillyBoy

BUMP


20 posted on 11/09/2010 10:28:23 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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