Posted on 10/15/2010 2:29:07 AM PDT by Cardhu
I hope this is not too direct, ecomcon, but I am an American first of all. What anyone commanded to some chap back in the Bronze Age is not binding on me.
America is in the 21st Century, not the Bronze Age, Jesus’s time, or the 7th Century - just in case you forgot.
The Santarias may bite chicken heads off as part of their faith, but I will not. However, biting off that sacraficial chicken’s head is about a quick a death as cutting the chicken’s neck blood vessels or cutting off the head. Both are common and accepted ways of getting the chicken from the chicken cage to the market display case.
Stoning is a method of execution which is prolonged torture, and is typical of our savage past in that “it takes a village” in the words of the HillaBeast.
Arguments such as yours are an example of how confusing America’s deep religious roots with religious law can cause both confusion and suspicion where neither is necessary.
Perhaps the best example I can think of is that the last 6 of the Ten Commandments are central to America’s concept of citizen behavior, public behavior.
The Founders wisely left the first 4 of the Ten Commandments to the individuals personal and private decision and forbade from entering into those areas.
Male circumcision has minor positive medical benefits, especially in desert areas where bathing is difficult or impossible.
Female circumcision(correctly know and female excision) has no medical benefits and has major to lethal consequences.
I haven’t watched this film (The stoning of Soraya M.) - only watched the Skynews clip embedded in the article. Also, the article does not say it is a “documentary”. Is the film actually classified as a “documentary” ? - (I am not referring to “Battle of Haditha”).
Two points: (1) Stoning as punishment for adultery, for men and women in Iran, in fact, takes place. (2) FACTS on what is involved prior to, during and after the Stoning act & the process itself. If you are talking about Facts regarding the Stoning act & process, then, yes, as a “documentary”, these facts should be accurate.
A few Facts: Women should be covered in hejab (and their hair can’t be visible). A male is buried up to his waist with his hands tied behind his back, while a female is buried up to her neck with her hands also buried. Stones can’t be too large or too small - stones must be of right shape & size, so that a person is executed gradually (therefore, Stoning is also a form of torture before death). Children can take part in throwing the stones.
Of course the Iranian regime has not allowed the filming of an actual & real life Stoning so far, has it ? In FACT, the Iranian regime tries very hard not to publicise any real life Stoning that take place in Iran. Therefore, Yes, any Other film can be viewed (or dismissed), in that sense, as Fiction.
The article title says: “Iran Infuriated By Film Of Woman’s Stoning”. So, what is, in FACT, infuriating the Iranian regime & their supporters ? The fact that the Iranian regime enforces such a medieval form of torture & execution in the 21st century in Iran, and this film has brought it, in a visual sense, to public’s attention ? Or, that the process & details of Stoning in a film are inaccurate ?
Your previous comment in #21: “But it is not a real life documentary - it is a creative story - all acted.” without further explanation or elaboration, in my experience, is often used by pro Iranian regime groups & individuals.
Hi GladesGuru-
No worries, I’m not easily offended.
I’m not advocating stoning or any other such thing. Neither am I advocating religious law in place of civil law, or trying to bind others in any way.
I am trying to make 2 points. They are:
Men do not judge God; God judges men.
Jesus revealed that truth must illuminate the law in a civil sense; and in a religious sense, that rote obedience to the law, when it is done with a corrupt spirit, does not accomplish justice or salvation. Jesus changed not the law, but what the law means. Or something like that.
I was addressing a post implying that we may be hypocrites because after all, God commanded that a certain man be stoned for gathering sticks on the sabbath, so why are we (Judeo/Christians) beating up on the Mohammedans for stoning a woman for (alleged) adultery? This line of thinking leads to moral relativism.
Jews and Christians value life. That was the point really.
Any politician caught stealing from the people who elected him, or using their political muscle to illegally strong-arm banks into lend money, or caught in the act of and/or connected to election voter fraud, or passing any egregious damaging laws against the will of the people, or any treasonous act or spoken language against the people of this country, may have a hand cut off or be stoned to death. Choice of the people, depending how severe the punishment they want to deal out for the specific crime. This includes POTUS on down the chain of command of elected government officials.
Could we then start to straighten up some ingrates, liars and thiefs in government?
You said: >>>>>> “..... are an example of how confusing America’s deep religious roots with religious law can cause both confusion and suspicion where neither is necessary.”<<<<<
Excellent comment & observation. I wish your above comment could be disseminated as often as possible.
Moslims id not write the Old testament, they came approximately 500 years later. But mohammed did use the Old testament as a reference to write the Koran.
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