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ATF: Surplus Korean firearms imports 'pose a threat to public safety in the U.S.
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | October 12, 2010 | David Codrea

Posted on 10/12/2010 10:04:00 AM PDT by Neil E. Wright

In August, I asked "Why is Obama Administration blocking import of surplus rifles?," citing "problems" that were described as "ambiguous" being the reason a sale previously approved by the State Department had been halted.

The ambiguity has now been cleared up. A Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives advisory titled "Effect of Granting Retransfer Authority" shows us the rationale behind the move. As the Examiner.com "upgrade" no longer allows content providers to embed objects, I must refer you offsite for the complete document. But in the interests of discussing the report, I have also broken it up into numbered graphics (see slide show in left margin):

1. Here it is in black and white:

"...ATF believes the importation of these firearms, particularly the M1 carbine rifle and M-1911 pistol, poses a threat to public safety in the U.S."

This is the same rationale used in model-specific "assault weapons" bans--the type of gun is somehow deemed relevant, even though untold numbers of such firearms are already peaceably owned in this country, and even though no supporting evidence for this conclusion exists beyond agenda-promoting speculation.

2. We'll see an increase in imported firearms. Lots of them. So?

3. Prices will go down due to supply and demand. Their source? That noted threat to public safety in the U.S., the Civilian Marksmanship Program, authorized by Title 36 U. S. Code, 0701-40733 and a key supplier of "surplus military firearms, ammunition, parts and other items," provided you meet their eligibility requirements. The other apparent concern is the law does not empower ATF to collect "end user" information--so apparently any privately owned firearm with information not so collected is now a domestic threat? Maybe the solution is to "end the gun show loophole" and authorize licensing and registration?

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; cmp; codrea; examiner; safety
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To: bunkerhill7

And now today when engaged in combat where the current chief executive says that victory isn’t necessarily the objective you get a shiny new medal for “courageous restraint.”


21 posted on 10/12/2010 10:30:51 AM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: Neil E. Wright

Isn’t M1 Carbine ammo very difficult to come by??


22 posted on 10/12/2010 10:31:46 AM PDT by noname07718 (Freedom is never more than one generation from extinction-Ronald Reagan 1993)
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To: Neil E. Wright

I’m drooling over the idea of getting an original 1911 in good condition for cheap.


23 posted on 10/12/2010 10:32:00 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: IYAS9YAS

No they are carbines.

Didn’t a bunch of AK-47’s come on in under Clinton??


24 posted on 10/12/2010 10:33:05 AM PDT by noname07718 (Freedom is never more than one generation from extinction-Ronald Reagan 1993)
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To: ryan71

Im am SO with you on this one. The ATF is easily the MOST worthless fed LE org ever. Altho the FBI and DEA aren’t that far behind them. I propose the ATF is a far greater threat to public safety than any number of imported rifles.


25 posted on 10/12/2010 10:33:49 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: noname07718

You can find it on a regular basis as reloads, new is hard to find. Reloads go for $200-$250 for a case of 500 rounds.


26 posted on 10/12/2010 10:35:50 AM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: noname07718
Isn’t M1 Carbine ammo very difficult to come by??

Not really. Cheaper than Dirt has it for less than 50 cents a round. They had (currently out of stock) a 500 round box of it for about $210. Currently, the cheapest I can find the milsurp .30-06 for my Garand is exactly 50 cents a round not including shipping, from the Civilian Marksmanship Program.

28 posted on 10/12/2010 10:37:21 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberalism can be summed up thusly: someone craps their pants and we all have to wear diapers)
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To: noname07718

They still make .30 carbine ammo in quantity. On average it costs about as much as bigger handgun ammo. Gun show trips for bulk ammo are highly recommended.


29 posted on 10/12/2010 10:38:10 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: umgud

...dogs and cats sleeping together...


30 posted on 10/12/2010 10:43:48 AM PDT by CarWashMan
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To: BnBlFlag

Dunno ‘bout “worst.” I’ve shot a M1 Carbine a bit and they’re pleasant to shoot and fairly accurate. They ain’t big game rifles, though.


31 posted on 10/12/2010 10:44:19 AM PDT by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: noname07718
No they are carbines.

Getting mixed reports. When I first heard about this issue a month or two ago, it was M1 Garands. Now I see both Garand and Carbine, or Carbine alone. Not sure whose reporting is correct.

Didn’t a bunch of AK-47’s come on in under Clinton??

I have no idea.

32 posted on 10/12/2010 10:50:40 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Liberalism can be summed up thusly: someone craps their pants and we all have to wear diapers)
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To: DGHoodini

“The M1 Carbine is still a mighty fine distance weapon with lots of firepower.”

The carbine fires a .30 calibre pistol round, and was intended to be issued to officers and members of crew served weapons, radio operators etc instead of a pistol.

Long distance? lots of firepower? lolololol


33 posted on 10/12/2010 10:53:15 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (Down the Donks! Revolution is Brewing. Make Babs Boxer a part of history....today!)
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To: Little Ray
The M1 Carbine was meant to be a weapon suitable for truck drivers,tankers ,radio ops,and other personnel who had need for something better than a pistol,and who were usually doing something other than front-line fighting.

The carbine can be very useful in street fighting for people unable to have sub-machine guns,grenades and high-capacity shotguns.

34 posted on 10/12/2010 10:54:49 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Neil E. Wright

I would not be surprised to find firearm manufacturer’s lobbyists behind this.

Lots of businesses cry about the gvt, until they want their special treatment.


35 posted on 10/12/2010 10:59:04 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: noname07718

“Didn’t a bunch of AK-47’s come on in under Clinton??”

Yep...and if I remember correctly Senator Diane Fienstein’s husband had ties with the chinese and was the one importing the AK-47 look alikes that Diane is so fond of holding up at press conferances and calling for more gun control legislation.....ya just gotta love the lunacy of the left/s


36 posted on 10/12/2010 11:01:00 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (Down the Donks! Revolution is Brewing. Make Babs Boxer a part of history....today!)
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To: noname07718

You are correct. Wang Jun(a Chinese arms dealer and military officer) met with clintoon just after the assault weapon ban was passed. I would assume that a significant campaign donation or bribe was paid and clintoon gave him an exemption to the ban and allowed a boat load of them to come in.

One of my favorite questions to clintoon supporters is “Why did clintoon meet with Wang Jun in the White House?” Of course they don’t have a clue.


37 posted on 10/12/2010 11:11:42 AM PDT by Bob Buchholz
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To: Forty-Niner
Long distance? lots of firepower? lolololol

Are you volunteering to let someone shoot at you with one? Howabout at 300 yards? Still LOL? ;)
38 posted on 10/12/2010 11:28:05 AM PDT by rickomatic
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To: Forty-Niner

Obviously, i was confusing it with the M-1 Garand.


39 posted on 10/12/2010 11:30:37 AM PDT by DGHoodini
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To: caver
want a 1911, but they are high.

Depends on waht flavor or brand you are shopping for. There are some good deals.
40 posted on 10/12/2010 11:40:50 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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