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The mixed legacy of 1492 (European viruses wipe out population)
Boston.com ^ | 10/11/10 | James Carroll

Posted on 10/11/2010 3:55:41 PM PDT by Libloather

The mixed legacy of 1492
By James Carroll
October 11, 2010

IT IS commonly observed that 1492, in addition to being the year of Christopher Columbus, was also the year of the Jews — their expulsion from Spain by the same Ferdinand and Isabella who sponsored the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria. But the overlap of events (actually, Columbus set sail in the very week of the banishment) has historic significance, for it was in Iberia that ancient Christian anti-Judaism had recently morphed into genetic anti-Semitism — the idea that Jews are contemptible not because of their religion, but because of their “blood impurity.’’ This notion of a group’s innate biological inferiority tragically gripped the European imagination just as the encounter with the New World occurred. It was a decisive factor in the creation of modern racism that determined so much of what came in the wake of Christopher Columbus. Contempt for Jews was practice for contempt for aboriginal peoples.

The racist myth of European superiority still shapes the story of the colonial conquest — starting with how the Caribs, Mayans, and Aztecs are remembered as never having had a chance against Spanish steel and gun powder. But it wasn’t technological genius that led to the dominance of the newcomers, nor was it their courageous soldiering, intellectual heritage, or moral superiority — much less the favor of God.

By far, the most decisive factor in the quick establishment of European control was the accident of disease. The immune systems of Western Hemisphere indigenous peoples were overwhelmed by pathogens that accompanied the Europeans, with the result that populations of so-called Amerindians were almost instantly decimated. The population of Mexico, to take one example, fell from 25 million in 1517, when Europeans first came there, to 1.5 million a century later.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1492; 2effenbad; ageofsail; columbus; columbusday; godsgravesglyphs; legacy
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To: Libloather

Sadly it was completely unavoidable.


21 posted on 10/11/2010 4:14:18 PM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: GAB-1955

You’re right, I had forgotten about that. It has been the gift that keeps on giving.


22 posted on 10/11/2010 4:15:22 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Cicero

And it was about 500 years before docs developed antibiotics to get rid of the stuff......pretty good pay back.


23 posted on 10/11/2010 4:16:09 PM PDT by svcw (Just in case you ever wondered: As of May 2010, it costs ~ $0.0167 US Dollars to mint a penny.)
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To: Carry_Okie

“To which I would add that hunting the domesticable animals into oblivion seriously retarded agro-urban development and condemned many tribes to permanent seasonal nomadism.”

Yes. But bear in mind that New World beasts and “native” Americans were not coeval. Humans came over here fully prepared to hunt everything to death. The animals had not enough time to evolve defenses. Back in the Old World, there was time to breed (though not deliberately, of course) animals to our liking over the course of millenia.


24 posted on 10/11/2010 4:16:24 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Libloather

By the time the Spanish came west, they had already been under muslim rule for hundreds of years. I hypothesize that muslim germs and dna invaded the the natives, and thus, they became ill, stupid, and ruthless.

So perhaps the mexicans invading our country have this muslim dna.

Maybe the conquistadors were actually muslims, and just pretended to be catholic, so they could point the finger and say look how ruthless Christians are.


25 posted on 10/11/2010 4:16:42 PM PDT by paintriot
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To: cripplecreek

Go on Amazon and buy all of Barry Fell’s books.

Chris was just a johnny-come-lately.


26 posted on 10/11/2010 4:16:53 PM PDT by Salamander (I can't sleep......the clowns will eat me.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Let’s get this straight and clear: the “native Americans” were cultural losers who got thrown out of Asia because they were some combination of losers, , antisocial, inadequate, socially caustic or retarded. Indians were (are) freaks.


27 posted on 10/11/2010 4:17:07 PM PDT by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: Libloather

So we should feel guilty? We who were not even alive then?

Should we just therefore open our Southern Border to the descendents of those very peoples, as historic justice?

If you think so you are the same as Obama. A fascist with historic justice as his calling card, the calling card of every fascist in modern history, including Hitler and Mussolini.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html


28 posted on 10/11/2010 4:17:25 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Will88

Many folks don’t know that many mesoamerican groups fought WITH the Spaniards because groups like the Aztecs were not this peace-loving people, but were conquers themselves, and treated those people like 4th class citizens.


29 posted on 10/11/2010 4:18:00 PM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Libloather

This James Carroll character really is the epitome of the guilt-ridden, self-loathing white liberal. And he doesn’t mind throwing around a lot of historical inaccuracies while wallowing in his white guilt.


30 posted on 10/11/2010 4:18:52 PM PDT by Will88
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To: BenLurkin
Contrary to what left wing “experts” say, there was little or no syphilis in Europe before it was brought back from the New World.

Maybe they picked it up from Mermaids on their trip home.

31 posted on 10/11/2010 4:19:49 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: GeronL

Polynesians may not have had a lot of technology but they knew the sea. I’ve seen photos of maps they made out of reeds and grass that show detailed wave and wind patterns as well as islands.

As I understand it, people with expert knowledge of the sea can tell if they’re approaching an unseen island by the behavior of swells.


32 posted on 10/11/2010 4:21:28 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Calvin Locke

Thanks for the history. Very interesting.


33 posted on 10/11/2010 4:23:08 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Libloather
“Well into the 19th century, the vast majority of transatlantic migrants (more than 80 percent up to 1820) came from Africa — labor to replace the disease-defeated Amerindians.”

I would hesitate to call slaves that were involuntarily relocated from their old masters in Africa to their new masters in the new world as “migrants”. Perhaps others can tell me if it is true, but weren't most of those “migrants” used to replace slave labor that died in the plantations of Brazil and the Caribbean?

34 posted on 10/11/2010 4:24:00 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: utherdoul
I thought I was the only one thinking that way. I'd rather fight it off and acquire a natural immunity that take an immunization that is a somewhat unknown quantity. Did that with H1N1, which I caught from my son-in-law, who had a confirmed diagnosis from his doctor.
35 posted on 10/11/2010 4:25:21 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Vincit qui se vincit)
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To: hinckley buzzard

He’s a bitter liberal with an axe to grind, that’s for sure.


36 posted on 10/11/2010 4:25:40 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Libloather

Amazing how much work she puts into avoiding the conclusion that Europeans were cultually and genetically superior.

Heck, a darwinian should be eager to embrace the superior genetics of the Europeans. It was gained at the cost of millions of lives lost to diseases.


37 posted on 10/11/2010 4:25:49 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Let’s not judge his crews too harshly for demeaning themselves with the female savages. They had been at sea a long time. Who knows? Maybe they fell in love.


38 posted on 10/11/2010 4:25:59 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both.)
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To: Will88

“Many Indians did die from disease, but still the Europeans fought and defeated armies of many time their number due to the superiority of their weapons and their horses, and both the men and horses were usually armored.”

Not to mention the fact that the Europeans even got over there in the first place. A fact that seems these days to be overlooked, given the controversy over what it means to say the Americas were “discovered” in 1492. A controversy which obscures the fact that, no matter what killed the natives and no matter whether or not the Europeans fared well in battle, the only reason any of it happened is that the Europeans did what New Worlders never did: they navigated the Atlantic.


39 posted on 10/11/2010 4:26:20 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: VanDeKoik
Many folks don’t know that many mesoamerican groups fought WITH the Spaniards because groups like the Aztecs were not this peace-loving people, but were conquers themselves, and treated those people like 4th class citizens.

That's true, and Cortez found many allies against Montezuma and the Aztecs among the surrounding tribes who were tired of supplying thousands of their members for the Aztecs' periodic human sacrifices. I've read that 10,000 were sacrificed to celebrate Montezuma's ascension to power.

40 posted on 10/11/2010 4:26:26 PM PDT by Will88
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