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CONFIRMED: Court Did Rely on Oath Keeper Association to Take Baby
Oath Keepers ^ | October 11, 2010 | Stewart Rhodes

Posted on 10/11/2010 11:03:09 AM PDT by Sopater

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To: Fundamentally Fair; Raycpa; Anti-Bubba182

There appears to be a serious problem with that image. I saw it on another forum and reposted it here, but here and elsewhere people are questioning whether it was a deliberately misleading conflation of two or more separate court documents. I cannot vouch for its authenticity, and I know nothing about the website where the image was hosted.


61 posted on 10/11/2010 3:37:02 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

The image is a combination of two Documents. It may have been done innocently thinking that since the first document ended with #6 the item #7 was part of it. Whatever the motivation, the items are part of two documents as shown by the exhibits at the Oath Keeper’s site.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10/11/confirmed-court-did-rely-on-oath-keeper-association-to-take-baby/


62 posted on 10/11/2010 3:43:38 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Fundamentally Fair

Also check out that each bullet point ends in a semicolon except for point 6 which ends in a period indicating it is the end of the list. For 7 to be in original, 6 should end with a semicolon.


63 posted on 10/11/2010 3:43:44 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Interesting. It says the DOB of the child is 11/6/10?

The child was born next month?


64 posted on 10/11/2010 3:50:58 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
This kind of story is geared to getting us worked up, folks. I’m not even going to read about it anymore.

That's what I initially thought when I saw it on WND, but when I saw that it was confirmed on the Oath Keeper's website, I thought I'd go ahead and post it. I certainly hope that Oath Keepers (OK) can distance themselves from this guy based on his past, but the story says that the court relied on his association with OK to take the baby, calling OK a "malitia". The affidavit is rediculous.
65 posted on 10/11/2010 4:22:33 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Sopater

I know that there were some Oath keepers that threatened to harm the police in Lower Michigan. Instead they were arrested because of some muslims viewed that they were going to cause death and destruction to them because of their religoius views. SO CPS is called and takes away a child because of his involvement in Oath Keepers. CPS can take a child away if there is a complaint, but there has to be an investigation to see if there is truly a problem. I think there is something more going on than what is being reported. If the cops dislike the guy that is no justification either. We have a lady in the neighborhood that all the cops like a lot. Another cop was the blight officer too, the lazy SOB never did anything as the blight officer. I filed a formal complaint against the blight officer for failure to perform his job. Yes, I am not to well liked by the cops in my area, because that left them one cop short, because the blight officer resigned as blight officer and also as a police officer.. All i did was make a complaint about the blight officer not having the backbone to do his job. He wanted to be a friend to the people in the city. The same goes for the chief of police, he wants to be the people’s friend. Like I reported to the city manager and the Mayor, the city desires a blight officer not another frienmd of the people.

I honestly beleive there is more to this case than what is being reported. I have a neighbor whom has a Personal Protective Order against him by his ex, and I refuse to have anything to do with hime. His children are a piece of work, and they continually come to my house asking for food, tools and so forth. I told them to leave me alone. They refused and a neighbor called to complain on my behalf when the little brats started to steal items from the yard. So the police stepped on the guy and he got mad at me that his children were in trouble with the law because it was my fault that his children got in trouble. The guy came at me when he was drunk, and I called the police and when the police showed up he was striving to beat up an antique vehicle with a sledge hammer.


66 posted on 10/11/2010 4:51:26 PM PDT by hondact200 ( Lincoln Freed the Enslaved. Obama Enslaves the Free. Obama is Americas Greatest Threat)
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To: Raycpa

Buckhead, is that you? ;)


67 posted on 10/11/2010 5:19:34 PM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (If exercising the right to free speech invites violence, then girls in short skirts invite rape.)
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To: Marty62
I read the part of the affidadit that was available. I would suggest the “Oath Keepers” distant themselves from this guy.

Whatever other shortcomings this man may have, the central point is that the government is listing his association with Oath Keepers as one of the reasons for forcibly taking his newborn daughter away from him.

THAT is what's important about this story.

68 posted on 10/11/2010 7:24:36 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Sopater

I have seen this kind of nonsense before, in Montgomery County, NY. The DCFS there was stealing babies from poor parents (the kind who can’t afford a lawyer) and adopting them out to the friends and family of DCFS staff.

As an associate member of Oath Keepers, I am really frightened that the NH DCFS used Oath Keepers as a reason to take the child. Which is obviously the idea; to make people like me run screaming away from Oath Keepers. I ain’t runnin’.


69 posted on 10/11/2010 8:29:15 PM PDT by Ostlandr ( CONUS SITREP is foxtrot uniform bravo alfa romeo)
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To: Sopater

I just wonder what all the other reasons were. It would make a difference to me.

I don’t think membership in Oath Keepers or weapon ownership should be even listed as a reason to take someone’s baby.

But suppose the other statements mentioned child abuse convictions, or meth addiction, or psychiatric issues?

The judge could have ordered the baby removed, not for the Oath Keepers or weapons ownership, but for those or similar reasons.

So I wish we could know so I could get a better handle on it.


70 posted on 10/11/2010 8:31:07 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Sometimes Alex Jones has good articles on his site.


71 posted on 10/11/2010 10:51:14 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: Sopater
The video on Free Keene has the story in more detail.
72 posted on 10/11/2010 10:52:12 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: muawiyah

If he’s that bad, he should be in jail, or the mother
should be kept isolated from him. Aren’t there shelters
for that sort of thing? Why take the baby from the mother?
Others have said this much better than I have here.


73 posted on 10/11/2010 11:52:33 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: sam_paine

something of the sort just occurred to me too.


74 posted on 10/11/2010 11:55:00 PM PDT by cycjec
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To: SatinDoll

I do not suspect anything other than the machinations and political (anti father) agenda of the feminazis and NOW gang.

I’ve seen it in action in my own personal life. My hubby’s ex wife who is a vindictive, liberal, anti father CPS worker.

She actually placed a phoney abuse report against us while the children were at our house. Took me SIX MONTHS to get it overturned.


75 posted on 10/12/2010 4:19:34 AM PDT by AbolishCSEU
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To: micmac

It does not matter if you THINK they are skanky. The ONLY thing that matters at this point is the use of an affiliation with a group to use against someone.

There is also a difference between an Oath Keeper and a Supporter. I am a supporter, I have never been in Law Enforcement or the Military, so I have never taken the oath.

My brother on the other hand is an actual Oath Keeper have been both in the military and in law enforcement.

In reading about this case, I can’t see how this man can be an Oath Keeper, it says he is disabled, and is blind in one eye from a childhood accident, there has never been mention of him being military or law enforcement.


76 posted on 10/12/2010 6:27:42 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: citizenredstater9271

A site he built with the blood money he made defecating on the families of 9/11 victims.

Jones is a vile piece of waste.


77 posted on 10/12/2010 8:36:15 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Navy Patriot
Exactly, if CPS, cops and the judge had left Oath Keepers completely out of reference in the case I'd have no comment on Mr. Irish or the case.

Bingo. It's a shame that so many here just can't quite seem to see the forest except for the trees obscuring their vision. While I'm currently not a member of Oath Keepers that is likely to be changing soon.

78 posted on 10/12/2010 11:38:30 AM PDT by Ron H. (Fire the whole damn bunch of them come November 2!!)
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To: The Toll
Agreed, the redacted portions could claim the guy eats human flesh. I could care less. The fact that someone smeared a group of people politically in this court document, needs to be dealt with.
79 posted on 10/12/2010 11:42:01 AM PDT by Ron H. (Fire the whole damn bunch of them come November 2!!)
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To: panthermom
.... In reading about this case, I can’t see how this man can be an Oath Keeper, it says he is disabled, and is blind in one eye from a childhood accident, there has never been mention of him being military or law enforcement.

FYI. I read somewhere in the last day or two that Irish was NOT a member of OK but rather a supporter who had made a single post on their site at some point in time in the past. This was supposedly attributed to the owner of the OK web site,

80 posted on 10/12/2010 11:54:10 AM PDT by Ron H. (Fire the whole damn bunch of them come November 2!!)
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