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Do Southerners Have the Right to be Described as "Native Americans"?
10-7-2010 | comtedemaistre

Posted on 10/07/2010 8:12:40 AM PDT by ComtedeMaistre

Southerners who celebrate their cultural heritage, are among the most misunderstood people in America. Italians who celebrate Colombus Day, and Irishmen who celebrate St. Patricks Day, never have to suffer the grief that Southerners who want to celebrate Robert E. Lee's Birthday have to endure.

Southern identity is partly about celebrating the Anglo-Celtic culture, which is the core culture that existed in America at the time of the founding of America in 1776. It is the culture that gave us the King James Bible, Shakespeare, Charles Dickens, Mark Twain, William Faulkner, and others. Most Southerners, both white and black, are descended from people who were in America before the Civil War in 1860.

It is often said that America is a nation of immigrants. Southerners are not immigrants to America. When the first Southerners came to Jamestown, Virginia, in 1607, America did not exist as a nation. Southerners were the pioneers who built America. Southerners created colonial America in 1607, before the Mayflower folks arrived in 1620. Two sons of the South, the Virginians, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, led America to independence as a Constitutional Republic in 1776. Why shouldn't Southerners be proud of such a great heritage?

Many of the Northerners who love to mock and insult the South, are people whose ancestors came to America as immigrants, after the statue of liberty was put up in 1886. They love to mock the people who created and built the America that their ancestors immigrated to. If someone could create a time machine, and we could go back to the 1890s, we would tell our Southern ancestors to stop those European immigrants from getting off their boats at Ellis Island. It is time that the Southerners who created American culture and the American nation, are shown a little appreciation by the Ellis Island Yankees, who just got off the boat the other day. If you are a pro-Southern Yankee, this complaint does not apply to you, of course.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: angloceltic; dsj; jamestown; oddvanity; pioneers; southernheritage
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To: moodyskeptic

‘Human nature dictates that the guilty will react with violent defensive attack. . .’

Your post is the type that inflames this discussion.

Your sanctimonious and self-righteous attitude only shows the depravity in your own soul.

None of us were there so no one here is ‘guilty’ as you say, and neither are you more righteous beause of your condemnation. Get off your high horse already.


101 posted on 10/07/2010 9:33:31 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: ComtedeMaistre

“As I made it clear in my post, I have high regard for Yankees who respect the South. I respect those who respect us.”

NO...you don’t. You stated quite clearly you wish you could go back in time and stop my family at Eilis Island and send them back.


102 posted on 10/07/2010 9:34:32 AM PDT by NucSubs
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To: NucSubs

It’s ma’am, but thanks for the thumbs up.


103 posted on 10/07/2010 9:35:34 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: cripplecreek; ComtedeMaistre

Huzzah brother!


104 posted on 10/07/2010 9:35:46 AM PDT by NucSubs
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Did this little tome crack a "C" in the sixth grade essay contest?

Buwahaha! Oh that was nice.

105 posted on 10/07/2010 9:37:10 AM PDT by NucSubs
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To: frithguild

“Maybe pick someone for your holiday who is not associated with the death of hundreds of thousands to preserve slavery? “

George Washington? Thomas Jefferson? James Madison? James Monroe?


106 posted on 10/07/2010 9:37:23 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Political correctness in America today is a Rip Van Winkle acid trip.)
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To: ComtedeMaistre
Southern identity is partly about celebrating the Anglo-Celtic culture, which is the core culture that existed in America at the time of the founding of America in 1776.

Virginia = Wessex

Southern backcountry = northern Ireland, northern England, Scottish highlands

Yankees = East Anglia

Delaware and Philadelphia area = England's north midlands

107 posted on 10/07/2010 9:37:50 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Non-Sequitur

To own human beings for profit.


108 posted on 10/07/2010 9:37:50 AM PDT by NucSubs
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To: Non-Sequitur

To own human beings for profit.


109 posted on 10/07/2010 9:38:00 AM PDT by NucSubs
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To: rhombus
Wow, it was real nice of those Southerners to try and preserve slavery to help the poor black man out from those filthy Northern bigots. snicker ;-)

Well, you are right about those filthy Northern bigots.

110 posted on 10/07/2010 9:38:05 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth

“As a “son of the south” I have to ask WTF????? While I appreciate the sentiments who really cares what Yankees think of us? I sure don’t. ...”

Indeed. We are who we are and what we are. The critics fall into the category of “the sum of zeros”.

BTW, I am not going to knock ‘Yankees’ per se, as a very great many of them are splendid people, but I cheerfully and utterly reject their culture, which itself is no monolith.

Deo Vindice


111 posted on 10/07/2010 9:38:31 AM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: ComtedeMaistre
Everybody who is born in America is a native American.

English native < French natif < Latin nativus = English born < Latin nasci (passive voice) to be born

112 posted on 10/07/2010 9:41:07 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("You can -- even must -- yell 'fire' in a crowded theater. It just has to be the truth." J. Goldberg)
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To: Psalm 144
“As a “son of the south” I have to ask WTF????? While I appreciate the sentiments who really cares what Yankees think of us? I sure don’t. ...”

Agreed.


113 posted on 10/07/2010 9:41:58 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Political correctness in America today is a Rip Van Winkle acid trip.)
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To: GeronL

> If you and your parents were born here, that makes you a native American. Maybe they meant aboriginal Americans?

When I went to High School in the late 50s-early 60s. We were taught that if you were born here you were native American and if you were an indian you were aboriginal American.


114 posted on 10/07/2010 9:43:27 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (The Recession is officially over. We are now into Obama's Depression.)
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To: rhombus
I like your sentiment. Can we stop stereotyping and denigrating "norhterners" and "Yankees" too?

Eliminating the "hyphenated" Americans is something we can all agree upon; however, stopping the denigration and stereotyping of "Yankees" is just asking too much! /sarc
115 posted on 10/07/2010 9:43:33 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go home!)
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To: ExTxMarine
Eliminating the "hyphenated" Americans is something we can all agree upon; however, stopping the denigration and stereotyping of "Yankees" is just asking too much! /sarc

OK, you're right. Let the beating of the straw-man Yankee continue. /sarc

116 posted on 10/07/2010 9:45:18 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: rhombus

“Wow, it was real nice of those Southerners to try and preserve slavery to help the poor black man out from those filthy Northern bigots. snicker ;-)”

Now that the black man has been helped out by those northern pilgrims how are things going?


117 posted on 10/07/2010 9:46:55 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: Le Chien Rouge
Or as I commonly say...an average AMERICAN!!!

I like all of your post and agree with your summation; EXCEPT...no one in Texas should be rooting for the Yankees! That is just disgraceful!

GO RANGERS!!
118 posted on 10/07/2010 9:47:55 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go home!)
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To: BuffaloJack

Now they call the Indians natives and everyone else invaders. lol


119 posted on 10/07/2010 9:50:33 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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To: Psalm 144
I am not going to knock ‘Yankees’ per se, as a very great many of them are splendid people, but I cheerfully and utterly reject their culture, which itself is no monolith.

Since you're doing your best to be open minded, how about this? As a country mouse you reject the culture of city mouse. Isn't that more appropriate than to say there's a "yankee" culture you reject? Heck, have you visited down town Atlanta lately. I'd hardly call that Southern or Northern culture and I'd expect you'd be more at home in some of the very rural parts of the North than some of the urban areas of today's South. I've lived in both the North and the South... give me that country living any day.

120 posted on 10/07/2010 9:53:11 AM PDT by rhombus
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