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To: Walts Ice Pick
Personally I don't think modern southern secession is an issue, I think a nationwide cultural divide going to arms is more likely in the future.

There are so many forces at play who knows?

The BATS here are no doubt happy where the Left has taken us on race and minority anything but one day I fear that friction and the government Leviathan chewing up ALL our freedoms will cause bloodshed.

Confiscating guns or property rights, more and more taxes or unsecured borders in time would spark it. Obama and his minions have pushed all of this further along than any force I've yet witnessed.

It's scary how far we have collapsed so quickly. I genuinely fear my grandkids will see it and it will be just awful...a tribulation of Biblical proportion or folks may just move along and give up like machines.

Whites in particular are now so beat down and soft over guilt and the notion their entire history is a crime against humanity that they may just fade away and then those like the asshats here win. Some minorities will resist too...it's hard to say...the only ones who encourage me voting wise are Cubans and Vietnamese and Sikhs and a few TexMexicans...

this is why the politically correct so hate the South and rural folks too largely...we aren't going along in great numbers with their plan to remake America.

397 posted on 10/02/2010 10:44:29 AM PDT by wardaddy (the redress over anything minority is a cancer in our country...stage 4)
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To: wardaddy

Standing in opposition to those who would run our ever-changing Democracy (for that is what we have become) are those that would conserve the ideals of a truly unique way of life, a Republic, a Representative Republic, such as the one envisioned by the founders of these United States.

Many aspects of our social, and religious-based beliefs and established mores, our basic economic freedoms may possibly induce so much passion on both sides we might end up fighting each other over which path is the one to take...and we will both claim an absolute moral imperative that we will each consider unimpeachable and without doubt the most fundamental cause...the struggle, of course, will be between those that would impose enslavement to a Marxist collective, that see it as an urgent mission that cannot be put off any longer. We have seen the growing cry for socialism in the country brings us to the point where it simply cannot be ignored.

Slave or free?

Socialists will never forgo their dream of the REAL, complete and total solution in which they so fervently believe because some of us believe that the REAL path to freedom is to pursue our destiny as a republic.

I hope this will not amount to anything but a clash between opposing forces of voters, but it seems like so much more and it seems explosive. It is too deep a disagreement, too fundamentally rooted in our belief in a way of life that we each so totally commit to.

I wonder how third Manassas will turn out?


402 posted on 10/02/2010 10:54:05 AM PDT by jessduntno (9/24/10, FBI raids home of appropriately named AAAN leader Hatem Abudayyeh, a friend of Obama.)
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To: wardaddy
Personally I don't think modern southern secession is an issue,

Well, I'm really happy to hear you say that. I was surprised to see it being discussed here.

I think a nationwide cultural divide going to arms is more likely in the future.

There are some changes going on now, but I recall there being a whole bunch of change and turbulence in the sixties when we had the Civil Rights Act (1964), the Voting Rights Act (1965), the creation of Medicare (1965), the creation of Medicaid (1965), Johnson's Great Society, the riots in Watts (1965), the riots in Detroit (1967), the Vietnam War, the draft and all of the cultural craziness that was then going on. I guess I should also mention the several political assassinations, including the assassination of a President.

Taxes are still a scourge but on the day I was born, the highest marginal income tax rates were more than twice as high as they are today.

Our borders have been more or less open since the day I was born. Time and experience has taught me that powerful interests in our two political parties have a disagreement about illegals - the Republicans want illegals here to work, but not to vote and the Democrats want illegals here to vote, but not to work. The bottom line is that powerful interests in both parties want illegals here. And, that is why illegals are here. There is nothing new in any of this.

On this forum, I have advocated phasing out programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security over a three to five year period. I'd like to see how things might go without them, if only for an experiment. We went for thousands of years without any formal welfare state. Most folks here don't seem to have any appetite for any of that.

So, I don't know. I expect we'll continue to have a lot of screaming and shouting, but I'm betting against anything we could call a civil war.

444 posted on 10/02/2010 6:18:32 PM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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