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To: wardaddy
Personally I don't think modern southern secession is an issue,

Well, I'm really happy to hear you say that. I was surprised to see it being discussed here.

I think a nationwide cultural divide going to arms is more likely in the future.

There are some changes going on now, but I recall there being a whole bunch of change and turbulence in the sixties when we had the Civil Rights Act (1964), the Voting Rights Act (1965), the creation of Medicare (1965), the creation of Medicaid (1965), Johnson's Great Society, the riots in Watts (1965), the riots in Detroit (1967), the Vietnam War, the draft and all of the cultural craziness that was then going on. I guess I should also mention the several political assassinations, including the assassination of a President.

Taxes are still a scourge but on the day I was born, the highest marginal income tax rates were more than twice as high as they are today.

Our borders have been more or less open since the day I was born. Time and experience has taught me that powerful interests in our two political parties have a disagreement about illegals - the Republicans want illegals here to work, but not to vote and the Democrats want illegals here to vote, but not to work. The bottom line is that powerful interests in both parties want illegals here. And, that is why illegals are here. There is nothing new in any of this.

On this forum, I have advocated phasing out programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security over a three to five year period. I'd like to see how things might go without them, if only for an experiment. We went for thousands of years without any formal welfare state. Most folks here don't seem to have any appetite for any of that.

So, I don't know. I expect we'll continue to have a lot of screaming and shouting, but I'm betting against anything we could call a civil war.

444 posted on 10/02/2010 6:18:32 PM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: Walts Ice Pick; dixiechick2000
I was around as a kid in the 60s myself and in a place where the race stuff was quite hot....and I was in a liberal to moderate family active in civil rights and particip[ated myself. My opinion of that since has not been optimistic in the least.

I don't recall many of the issues on the table now even being on the radar then....homosexual marriage, roe v wade, gun control (that was first in 1968), affirmative action and even quotas in private quarters, environmental land and water grabs, demonization of the south, Islaminization of America and the West, massive illegal immigration resulting drastic demographic changes favoring Democrats 4 to 1, disintegration of marriage, disintegration of a once intact, married and responsible child rearing black culture, a lower class white drooge culture that seems endemic at least here in Nashville poor white areas, indentity politics for anyone but white Christian males, no smoking anywhere..not that i do but it is a loss of freedom and so on.

Since you are I think old enough to recall, it seems to me that most of today's so called conservatives would have been Scoop Jackson Democrats in the 1970s...they have been watered down from Magnus’s day

I'm not optimistic about the culture, the demographic voting trends for the future and much more. This is not the America I enjoyed as a lad and those fools here who think it's now better because of their pet single issue are indeed just plain ignorant...and their single issue...the black man....do they really think black culture has improved overall?

and speaking of riots...i could go anywhere black as a boy...including Jackson State the morning after the riots which took place 6 blocks from my school and be warmly welcomed...well now it would be at my mortal peril yet we grant them courtesy anywhere....so much for improved race relations

You have to be kidding me. (not you personally)...i pinged Dixie because she and I have very similar upbringing time and place. Most of the social liberals here opining on what it was like for blacks either exaggerate or they learned it from Cornel West.

454 posted on 10/03/2010 9:56:36 AM PDT by wardaddy (the redress over anything minority is a cancer in our country...stage 4)
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