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To: Drew68
To claim that liberals have lost the culture war, that there has been a rejection of liberalism, is just preposterous. Wishing this were different doesn't make it so.

Ah....one of FR's brightest rays of sunshine weighs in.

No, Drew. No one's rejecting liberalism, the Democrats are going to win even MORE seats in Congress this fall, and everybody just loves Obama.

6 posted on 09/03/2010 11:36:42 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

1994. Where are we now?

I’m not ever giving up but Drews point is what it is.


9 posted on 09/03/2010 11:44:22 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: Windflier
I believe you misunderstood what Drew said sunshine.

He said that what the Left has done to society has progressed to the point that a return to the conservative values of past societies is no longer possible. We have gotten so far off the tracks that we will continue to follow the ruts we ended up in.

I happen to agree with him and a have a book that says he is right too. It's called the Bible and it pretty much describes what has been happening and also has a fix in the mill - one that men cannot and will not manage on their own.

42 posted on 09/04/2010 4:08:42 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Windflier
No, Drew. No one's rejecting liberalism, the Democrats are going to win even MORE seats in Congress this fall, and everybody just loves Obama.

The premise of this article is one that states liberals are losing the culture wars. Look around and tell me this isn't ridiculous.

Conservatives can prevail in November and thwart Obama's agenda and that in itself would be a good thing but to believe this will roll back decades of liberalism is delusional. It will only slow the progression of liberalism. America today is culturally more liberal than it was twenty years ago. And twenty years before that. And twenty years before that. You get the picture. Liberalism has been allowed to slowly encroach on society since the days of the New Deal and this is where we are now and even when conservatives had held majorities in Washington, rolling back this liberalism has not happened. They've only slowed it.

You speak of an America that returns to the values of our Founding Fathers. This travels way past optimistic and enters the realm of delusional. An America capable or willing to do such that would never have voted Obama in the first place. Understanding this, I will raise my family the best I can while realizing it will be up to me, not Washington, not American culture, to instill the values I want my children to have.

65 posted on 09/04/2010 10:08:10 AM PDT by Drew68
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