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Sorry, you can't smoke in your own apartment
y100.com ^ | Aug. 30, 2010

Posted on 08/31/2010 7:56:06 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

TACOMA, Wash., Aug. 30 (UPI) -- Officials in Washington state say they'll consider moving the health battle over secondhand smoke into a new and contentious arena -- people's homes.

The Tacoma-Pierce County Health Board will consider a proposal next month to classify secondhand smoke as a "nuisance" in multi-unit housing, The Tacoma (Wash.) News Tribune reported Monday.

Backers of the measure say they want it incorporated in the state's landlord-tenant law.

"This is the last piece of the puzzle that needs to be placed," Nan Hogan, who helped write the proposed legislation, said. "We've got smoke-free motel rooms, smoke-free restaurants, smoke-free bars, smoke-free office buildings and even prisons. Why should we go home and have to breathe it there?"

Hogan is a member of the group People United for Smoke-free Housing.

In most multi-family structures, the group says, there is no practical way to seal one apartment from another.

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KEYWORDS: busybodies; lping; nannystate; pufflist; smokegetsinyoureyes
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To: ichabod1
I can tell you’re a moron by your tagline.

My, how smoking advocates enjoy personal attacks. Perhaps because you've run out of legitimate arguments?

101 posted on 09/01/2010 1:10:06 PM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: ichabod1

It’s not only the NIMBY’s who move into farming communities and don’t like dust-smells (there out to be a law)- they now have the government swooping in to save them.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2563319/posts
EPA to Crack Down on Farm Dust
NEWS 9 ^ | Aug 01, 2010 | Jacqueline Sit,


102 posted on 09/01/2010 1:10:32 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: ichabod1

So I moved in after her. If she had moved in after me, would that make a difference in your argument?


103 posted on 09/01/2010 1:11:13 PM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

This law might be a “puff” stupider than the people who still smoke cigarettes. What’s next, a law forbidding people from gargling with rat poison?


104 posted on 09/01/2010 1:35:31 PM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: r9etb

What are you 10 years old? Exactly WHERE are you being overwhelmed with smoke? If you’re over 25, maybe you had that experience. But you can’t smoke anywhere in public now. It was never about smoking. It was all about control. Nobody except a bunch of kooks cared about public smoking up to about 20 years ago. Now they’re actually going to ban it in PRIVATE homes. I don’t smoke, but I see where this is leading. I don’t like guns, because someone could go ape and take hostages, or come my house and shoot me, so I want them BANNED. Guns aren’t SAFE. They KILL innocent people every day. Think of the CHILDREN who die because of guns.


105 posted on 09/01/2010 2:10:25 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: boop
What are you 10 years old?

Nice way to start a discussion, pal.

Perhaps your mother simply never taught you good manners. If you try again, politely, maybe I'll pay attention to you.

106 posted on 09/01/2010 2:15:31 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

My point being, if you were 10 years old, you’d have grown up in a smoke free society. Yeesh.


107 posted on 09/01/2010 2:19:38 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: r9etb
Except, apparently, if you smoke. Then, it's always everybody else's fault if they don't like the smell of your cigarettes. Freedom apparently requires the rest of us to put up with having other people stink up our clothes.

Consideration for others is always a good idea.

To hyper-sensitive smoking nazis, that phrase has no meaning. Banning smoking in parks, on beaches, etc., where no reasonable person could possibly be bothered by smoke, certainly doesn't fit the idea. Are you living in a smoker's front pocket, that smoke is "stinking up your clothes" ?

108 posted on 09/01/2010 2:26:29 PM PDT by jimt
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To: AnalogReigns
Wow, I read your piece and agreed fully until I got to

I swear the spoiled baby-boomers...

Gratuitous insults really don't help your argument.

109 posted on 09/01/2010 2:31:43 PM PDT by jimt
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To: r9etb
I would suggest that your tobacco smoke wafting onto my clothes qualifies exactly.

You make it sound like there was a fan blowing cigarette smoke through a duct directly into your apartment. If that was the case, I'm glad you moved. Germs are much more dangerous than second hand smoke.

How did this happen ? Did it have an HVAC system like a hospital ?

110 posted on 09/01/2010 2:47:57 PM PDT by jimt
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To: GOP_Lady
By federal law, all cigarettes self-extinguish after a very short period of time.

My experience is that that's true if you're smoking them: drop them on the carpet or other important surface and they'll burn right down to the filter.

111 posted on 09/01/2010 2:50:24 PM PDT by jimt
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To: jimt
Banning smoking in parks, on beaches, etc., where no reasonable person could possibly be bothered by smoke....

"Reasonable" according to you.

But the fact is that the smoker is still the one imposing himself on others, and those others are forced to choose between asking him to stop, leaving, or putting up with the smoke.

And even in beaches and parks, there are often smokers who light up close enough to other people that they're an actual nuisance.

Smoking is a voluntary activity (aside from its addictive aspects, of course). It's certainly not a "right," the consequences of which must be accepted by those in proximity to the smoker. If a voluntary activity imposes unwanted consequences on others ... it is permissible to control that voluntary behavior.

Times change. Most people don't smoke these days. And most non-smokers find the odor of cigarette smoke to be offensive. A smoker should have no expectation of being able to impose himself in those circumstances.

112 posted on 09/01/2010 2:53:19 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: jimt
How did this happen ?

What.... you never in your life walked into a smoke-filled area?

113 posted on 09/01/2010 2:54:35 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: jimt

Not any more. The tobacco legislation that Congress passed and BHO signed required cigarette manufacturers to make them go out within a few minutes if not used while lit. There are pics on the Internet showing those stops in the cigarette. It even does this outdoors.


114 posted on 09/01/2010 2:55:58 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: jimt

http://www.smokinglobby.com/forum/about3551.html


115 posted on 09/01/2010 3:02:51 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Smokin' Joe

I agree with you. And then of course there will be the tax to support drug programs etc. People think the Federal Government is bad little do they know the local governments are just as bad if not worse making up laws at the drop of hat telling you a tree in your yard is a city street trre although the city will not maintain it but you now have to get a permit to trim it or remove it otherwise there is a $5,000.00 dollar fine all I can say is UGH :(


116 posted on 09/01/2010 3:33:49 PM PDT by funfan
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To: libertarian27
What? Huh? No, this isn't about smoking, it's about property right and they are dwindling swiftly....the yucky smoke smell being banned by gov't edict instead of a property owner deciding to ban it or not is so welcoming to people that can't see past their offended nose - of the restrictions on property owners.

So when the goverment makes smoking illegal everywhere, it is no longer a private property issue and you will support their action?

117 posted on 09/01/2010 6:21:36 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Theo

No, because you’re clearly a smug, self-righteous, person who probably enjoys the smell of your own farts.

Moreover, you say you hate Catholics and smokers. I am both, so I suppose you want me dead. Therefore, you are my enemy, and I wish you ill.


118 posted on 09/01/2010 6:50:10 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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119 posted on 09/01/2010 7:46:13 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"We've got smoke-free motel rooms, smoke-free restaurants, smoke-free bars, smoke-free office buildings and even prisons. Why should we go home and have to breathe it there?"


120 posted on 09/01/2010 7:47:26 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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