Posted on 08/31/2010 4:17:24 PM PDT by wagglebee
Why because we aren't willing to sacrifice human life?
Anything is good as long as abortion is banned! No, really, ANYTHING! Forced anal goat sex on pain of death, fine... as long as abortion's banned. Turning the citizenry into slaves of the state, that's fine too! Just gimme dat old-time abortion ban!
You are an IDIOT if you believe this is what social conservatives want.
“...The founders would never have come together for independence,
or to ratify the Constitution...”
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Point of trivial input:
They came together for independence and ratified the Articles of Confederation;
which was replaced by the Constitution seven years later.
**Successful Tea Party Movement Must Include Pro-Life Issues, Not Just Economy**
An absolute!
I’m extremely Pro Life. My vote will not ever go to an abortion candidate for any office.
However, I don’t think we can demand that an entity that is as spontaneous like the Tea Party be forced to take on social issues.
After being at quite a few local Tea parties, I would imagine that some TeaParties will take on social and abortion issues and others will not.
The coalescing issue though for the Tea Parties seems to be cut spending, cut the deficit, more liberty and Constitutional guidance.
We can’t manufacture issues in a group that was born on other issues. The Reagan coalition was unique in that it forged ties between both economic and social conservatives.
The Republican Party is still focused on all 3 legs, econ, social and national security...that is what important.
I agree, but some have noticed that some in the Tea Party are trying to force social conservatives out.
Neah.
The Tea Party is about high taxes and excessive spending. It needs to stay as focused on that as possible.
There might be niche for complaining about “aborting the future prosperity and greatness of this nation,” though.
I’m not willing to sacrifice conservatism of any kind. Avaricious opportunists who call themselves fiscal conservatives are anything but conservative. We do not need to murder the most vulnerable members of society to balance the budget. Conservatism does not exist only on a bank ledger. It encompasses all aspects of life. You’re either conservative or you’re not. If you reject the concept of conservatism, but embrace a few aspects that support your self-centered wants and needs, you’re not a conservative.
They can’t force us out (and I say us as a econ, social and natsecurity conservative).
Who would even have the power to do this...that is what I love about the TeaParty, there is not true leader, no true lead group.
When Tea Parties are called we come with signs against abortion and big government...nothing anybody can do about that. My local TeaParty would fall apart with social conservatives...many signs with God written on them.
I also respectfully disagree.
Fixing the tax code and then severely shrinking government spending de-funds many left wing organizations who exist mostly through grants, thereby equalizing the battlefield between social conservatives and the lefty monsters.
One battle at a time...
I respectfully disagree with your premise. Fiscal conservatism can occur in tyrannies as well as libertarian republics. The whole premise behind our constitutional republic was one of NATURAL LAW, and chief among the rights of men in a Natural Law society is the right to life followed by Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. So I do not believe we can have functioning liberty without a fundamental respect for life and abortion is antithetical to Natural Law since it deprives the most innocent and helpless individual of all liberties.
Therefore unless the people who claim to want to return our Nation to its foundational principles include within those principles the fundamental right to life, then we will never achieve the goal of restoring or preserving Liberty.
“TeaParty would fall apart WITHOUT social conservatives”...that is.
Agreed. Stick to Taxed Enough Already. It is a message that is a plainly understandable as it is vital.
Let the culture war be fought in other venues.
Mission Statement
The impetus for the Tea Party movement is excessive government spending and taxation. Our mission is to attract, educate, organize, and mobilize our fellow citizens to secure public policy consistent with our three core values of Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets.
Core Values
* Fiscal Responsibility: Fiscal Responsibility by government honors and respects the freedom of the individual to spend the money that is the fruit of their own labor. A constitutionally limited government, designed to protect the blessings of liberty, must be fiscally responsible or it must subject its citizenry to high levels of taxation that unjustly restrict the liberty our Constitution was designed to protect. Such runaway deficit spending as we now see in Washington D.C. compels us to take action as the increasing national debt is a grave threat to our national sovereignty and the personal and economic liberty of future generations.
* Constitutionally Limited Government: We, the members of The Tea Party Patriots, are inspired by our founding documents and regard the Constitution of the United States to be the supreme law of the land. We believe that it is possible to know the original intent of the government our founders set forth, and stand in support of that intent. Like the founders, we support states’ rights for those powers not expressly stated in the Constitution. As the government is of the people, by the people and for the people, in all other matters we support the personal liberty of the individual, within the rule of law.
* Free Markets: A free market is the economic consequence of personal liberty. The founders believed that personal and economic freedom were indivisible, as do we. Our current government’s interference distorts the free market and inhibits the pursuit of individual and economic liberty. Therefore, we support a return to the free market principles on which this nation was founded and oppose government intervention into the operations of private business.
I happen to be PRO LIFE, but I'll fight that battle in a different way. Keep the Tea Party Focused.
The pro-Life movement sqaures perfectly with the principles espoused in the US Constitution.
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So, what you're saying is that the Tea Party movement is actually re-branded libertarianism and NOT conservative?
The TEA party movement is about fiscal conservatism. Regular republicans are mostly pro-life. We have plenty of conservative coalitions and 99 percent of them are pro-life whether they say so or not. The republican party has drifted from fiscal conservatism and that is the role of the TEA party. I don’t see a problem.
The GOP has lost every election since Roe? You may have been in prison or working with the peace corps when Reagan won in 80, Bush I in 88, the 94 landslide, and Bush II in ‘00. I don’t see alot of Life talk this coming landslide either.
Secondly, there is nothing close to a grass roots movement on the Anti-death side. It barely comes up in conversation other than at church. It is only a hot button issue for a few. You can’t even get all Catholics on board.
Finally, McLame lost because he is a tired, burned-out, political hack, professional loser. Not because of his Life bonifides, which he stated on the campaign trail regularly to sell his conservatism.
Learn to read, here is what I wrote:
The GOP has LOST every election since Roe v. Wade when abortion was ignored.
You have to have a moral structure for capitalism to be possible and successful. All of the Founders expressed the importance of the moral order for the economic order to succeed. With a moral people, government hardly ever has to step in. That is what we are all about....freedom from government interference.
So, for that freedom, the laws have to be based on Natural Law to be just with the underlying notion that all people have the right to life, and can pursue happiness (The Founders KNEW that without virtue, there could be no happiness). Morality can NOT be separated from government. It is not possible.
Tea Partiers have to understand that you can’t separate material, monetary matters from the metaphysical need of mankind. Won’t work. You can’t have a void...it will fill with either immorality, chaos, moral order or whatever—you have to deal with the situtation and can’t HOPE for it to disappear. It can’t go anywhere!!!
The morality is the base that has to be outlined to set up the structure for all economics. It HAS to be from the bottom up, because we have gotten so far away from the Constitution, everything has to be torn down. We should start over....is what the tea party has to do....get back to the Constitution and build from there.
Read what Wagglebee wrote again. You missed part of it, which changes the entire meaning.
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