Posted on 08/28/2010 7:43:33 PM PDT by GVnana
Goodness! A double post at that! zzzzzzzzzzzz-z-z-z
Nice assumption (that I haven't so read).
Indeed, no one can say that Jesus is Lord 'cept by the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12:3). But, of course, the way you used the qualifier & context for "convert" all of a suddenly became technically Biblical for you, eh?
If you told a missionary, "you're not going to convert anyone here" -- and then when such a missionary objected to you writing off the "here" -- I mean, would your rejoinder be, "Missionary, you don't convert anyone. The Holy Spirit brings people to Christ?"
(I mean, really, April...would that be your tender salamander comeback?)
Well, at least you're fun & spunky to dialogue with...not boring...why, even when you don't want to dialogue!
[You just still have me awonderin' why your bottom-line posture -- if it's that men don't have a role in being used of God in the conversion process -- would even prompt you to bother adding "here" as a meaningless qualifier ("you're not going to convert anyone here."]
If your worldview is that "You're not going to convert anyone anywhere," then it's kind of ludicrous to focus on certain geographies, April. But that's OK. Sometimes meaningless voids that don't even make sense considerin' the worldview source happens to us all.
Oh, and BTW, 1 Cor. 12:3 indicates the Holy Spirit is the Prompter...but Rom. 10:14-15 still shows, last time I looked anyway, that man is the preacher in this conversion process:
14How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"
As you said, "Just read the Gospel and Paul" -- indeed great advice!
BlueMoose, settle down!
What you said about Moses & his rod is true. But pray tell, Bluemoo, come on, now. Who, in describing all re: you just elaborated, talks about Moses' "stick?" (They use the word you used -- "rod" -- yet even you used it but parenthetically)
Why didn't Glenn use the word "rod" in relation to Moses? Why did he deliberately cling to the word "stick?"
Come on, now, waitin' for an answer BlueMoo.
[Gameshow music interlude]
C'mon. Can't wait all night, BM.
OK. Give up? Not sure why, BlueMoose?
I mean, hasn't it gotcha wondering? After all...
...Preachers don't talk about Moses' "stick"
...Radio Bible teachers don't talk about Moses' "stick"
...The King James version Bible doesn't link Moses & a stick in the Pentateuch (first five books) -- & neither does the NIV.
No, BM. TN picked up on as I did. Glenn Beck no doubt deliberately chose the word "stick" as part of his Moses outline schtick -- vs. "rod" -- because he knew this would convey the proper word picture (Eze. 37) to Mormons.
Beck's whole focus in that early part of his speach was two chosen people groups (Jews & Native Americans) becoming one. Hence, Beck was implying that this "listening to God" included listening to two "stick" testimonies, the Bible & BoM.
Why do you want to distract our offensive by trying to convert the guy this week? Let’s beat the nasty communists and then we can have a forum where you can try to convert Mormons.
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Maybe because Beck could die in his sin, unsaved, before you finish with your plan to “beat the nasty communists”
“distract” by bringing God into the picture in the right context...
What a typically “nasty Christian” thing to do...
It is the power of the Holy Spirit who brings people to Christ. If they don’t come, there is nothing you can do about it...
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Then call off your 50,000 mormon dogs pounding on Christians doors and harrassing them with the book of mormon...
If you truly believed that its the Holy Ghost, why the 50,000 snot nosed kids who should be in college and leading normal lives ???
Kid ya cant have it both ways ...
After all their so called “sacrifice” is in vain and theres “nothing they can do about” “bringing people to Christ”...
Oh noez...
Beck also mentioned several times about a “testimony”
and as someone else pointed out Beck called the American Indians “God’s chosen people” several times..
There was probably more mormonistic words also
Beck also mentioned times about a “testimony”
“I testify to you” “I share with you an equal testimony”
and as someone else pointed out Beck called the American Indians “God’s chosen people” several times..
There was probably more mormonistic words also
“Cross the mountains”
Hullo ??? Moses was in the desert...
Rocky Mountaims ??? Denver ???
the mormons crossed the Rocky Mountains going to the Utah Territory..
Hey!
I can agree with that!
But I'm STILL going to point out that MORMONism is a heresy!
Wouldn't that just DIVIDE us again?
FIGHT?
What 'bible' have YOU been reading!
There was no FIGHT and Moses already HAD the 'stick'!
WHAT?!?!?!?
I guess them Jews got their prayer answered!
"Lord; we know that You chose us to be Your people; but, couldn't You choose someone ELSE for a little while?"
http://www.travelpod.com/travel-photo/samira_steve/travelbog_2006/1151346060/sami_025.jpg/tpod.html
“So keep up the good work, loveliberty2 and April Lexington, and don’t be disheartened by the tireless misunderstandings and misrepresentations that will doubtless be posted against you. “
Dittos to that...
Lurking for now.
bttt
thanks
“what happens when people who think they are saved go on a self-righteousness Crusade expecting God to “work miracles” and then discover the expected miracles never come. What spiritual crisis then occurs? “
The Spirit may come in many ways. One of them is when (a teacher)teaches by the Spirit. The Missionaries teach by the Spirit. If they don’t than no conversion takes place. The scriptures are understood by the Spirit, other wise, it’s just reading words.
April, hi, sorry for the delayed response, been away on a big legal project. BTW, I too am fighting the communists. Fact is, I’m fighting them right here in the Illinois political system that gave birth to our present distress, belly of the beast, as it were.
Anyway, I agree with you on an important point. My powers of persuasion will never convert a single soul. That’s the Holy Spirit’s work. However, to apply your logic consistently, if only God can convert, then preaching, witnessing of any kind is simply unnecessary, right? So why do we “preach?” Because that’s part of God’s plan, it’s how he does His work of converting souls. So he told us to do it, so we do it. Pretty simple, really.
As for timing and venue, God also chooses that, and as Paul says, sometimes it’s “in season” and sometimes it’s not “in season,” meaning that witnessing is something you do whenever God gives you the opportunity, not when it’s most convenient.
Besides, Beck invited this conversation by his actions and his words. He told us, to get at the root of the problem, we have to get back to God. Great! I agree. But which God? Like Joshua said to Israel:
“And if it seems evil to you to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” Joshua 24:15
So if you find it distracting to talk about God in the middle of a war with communism, blame Beck, not me. I’m just following his advice. :)
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