Mormons believe that to be saved, those who are above the age of accountability must believe in Jesus Christ, take his name upon them, bear witness of him, obey his commandments and be baptized in his name by one holding authority given by Christ. And they must keep that covenant, learn and follow the teachings of Christ and keep faith in and follow Christ throughout their lives, enduring to the end.

Galatians 2

1. Fourteen years later I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also.
2. I went in response to a revelation and set before them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. But I did this privately to those who seemed to be leaders, for fear that I was running or had run my race in vain.
3. Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek.
4. [This matter arose] because some false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves.
5. We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might remain with you.
6. As for those who seemed to be important--whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not judge by external appearance--those men added nothing to my message.
7. On the contrary, they saw that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the Gentiles, just as Peter had been to the Jews.
8. For God, who was at work in the ministry of Peter as an apostle to the Jews, was also at work in my ministry as an apostle to the Gentiles.
9. James, Peter and John, those reputed to be pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the Jews.
10. All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do.
11. When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong.
12. Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group.
13. The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.
14. When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
15. "We who are Jews by birth and not `Gentile sinners'
16. know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.
17. "If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not!
18. If I rebuild what I destroyed, I prove that I am a lawbreaker.
19. For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God.
20. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
21. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God;

that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation.

Past Living Prophet and President Spencer W. Kimball,

quoted in Book of Mormon Student Manual, p. 36.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: ⁹ Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: but it is the gift of God: ⁹ Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 (JST)

For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. 2 Nephi 25:23 (Book of Mormon)

Mormon doctrine and culture work together to create an elastic web.

It is sticky on the inside. Disenchanted Mormons have great difficulty leaving the Mormon church. They get stuck. Their questions and doubts are answered in doublespeak. They are told they are Christian, so there is no point in looking for answers there. They are told that if they are struggling or have doubts, it is because of their own unworthiness.

It is rubbery on the outside. When Christians attempt to witness the truth of God's Word they find the doublespeak and Mormonese definition of biblical terms bounce their words back.

This is the plight of Mormons.

Are you in Sevier County, Tennessee? That was the Tennessee County with the lowest vote total for ObaMao-- 25.3%.

If so, congratulations.

But it is a bogus statistic to compare a rural county with the most urban and least Mormon county in Utah.

Better yardsticks would be at least similarly populated and heavilly Mormon counties such as Utah County, Utah, where Obama drew a whopping 18.8% or Madison County, Idaho, where he drew 12.3%. Both aforementioned counties are a very young demographic and home of Mormon Church operated universities-- a demographic which went 2-1 for Obama nationwide.

See if you can find any other church/denomination demographic which even approaches those numbers.

It would be wonderful if Christian denominations and churchs could compete to see who could give the lowest vote totals to candidates like ObaMao who support Lucifer's agenda rather than taking cheap shots at minor doctrinal differences.

BTW: I’m writing this just after hearing Beck on Fox News Sunday state that he was saved by Jesus Christ but that he has then, to work to do good....or else WHAT will happen to him?

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This is a forum where we deal with POLITICAL and cultural issues. We are not a forum dedicated to doctrinal differences. There are other forums for that. We need to stay focused on the goal of defeating communism in all of its forms. All Christians, of whatever doctrinal path are and should be up in arms about what is going on in this country. So if joining arms with fellow believers in freedom and who might happen to view G-d a bit differently offends, you are probably on the wrong forum. Besides, nobody is going to convert anyone here on Free Republic. Let us unite in opposition to satan as manifested my communism and get back to the battle...

BTW: I’m writing this just after hearing Beck on Fox News Sunday state that he was saved by Jesus Christ but that he has then, to work to do good.

(I wonder if Glenn has his Temple Recommend® yet?)

temple recommend questions

1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

Only Christ, Himself, has the right to pass judgement...

Luke 7:43
Simon replied, "I suppose the one who had the bigger debt canceled." "You have judged correctly," Jesus said.

Luke 12:57
"Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right?

Acts 4:19
But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.

1 Corinthians 5:12
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?

1 Corinthians 6:1-4
1. If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints?
2. Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?
3. Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!
4. Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, appoint as judges even men of little account in the church!

1 Corinthians 11:13
Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?

Dudette, we are not TEACHING the Gospel on this forum. We are fighting communists! I would rather, as an evangelical, stand side by side with Mormon brethren in freedom in the battle against communism than have to wonder where the Mormons are in that battle. The enemy of your enemy is your friend and we can debate Mormon/Evangelical doctrine in a FREE SOCIETY if we win this battle. If we lose, those discussions will be meaningless. This is why our Founders wisely separated church and state...

Do Mormon’s believe that the only way to be saved is to “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ”.

We do believe that you have to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved. However, we don’t believe that belief alone, without effort on our part is sufficient.

As James said, “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble” (James 2:19)

He also says, “faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone” (James 2:17)

And... please to remember that NONE of those teachers you mentioned brought anyone to Christ. It was and is the Holy Spirit that brings people to Christ after they hear the Word. Yes we teach. Yes we tell the story. But it is the Holy Spirit who brings them to Christ. Be careful.

Bile is bitter

FACTS are damning...

People like you should worry about the atheists who want to remove GOD from every part of this country and lay off people like Beck who ~~is trying to live a good life with his wife and kids...~~ has chosen to join a religious organization that highjacked Christian sounding words to describe itself.

Mormon words don't mean the same thing.

Anyone who tries to witness to a Mormon will soon find that the words they use do not always mean the same thing to Christians.

Below is a list of terms that are important for Christians to know when discussing the truth with Mormons.

It is important that you know what the Mormons mean by the same words used by Christians.

ADAM	LDS - Father of physical mankind. Adam is also known as Michael the archangel, the ancient of days, (D&C 116).	Bible - the first created man by whom all of humanity descends. He was not Michael the archangel.
ATONEMENT	LDS - The sacrifice of Christ that made resurrection possible along with the possibility of our earning forgiveness of sins.	Bible - The substitutionary sacrifice of Jesus on our behalf. He died for our sins (1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 2:2).
AARONIC PRIESTHOOD	LDS - A lesser priesthood in the LDS church. It is still used in LDS church practices and is held by the very young, (D&C 107:1, 6, 10).	Bible - A priesthood that is no longer necessary now that we have the full revelation of Christ.
BAPTISM	LDS - A necessary ordinance for salvation in the Mormon church. By it sins are washed away.	Bible - An ordinance of the Christian church that is not necessary for salvation (Rom. 5:1).
BIBLE	LDS - The Bible is correct only as far as it is correctly translated. It is basically trustworthy. It is the only one of the four standard works (Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price) that is not considered infallible. The KJV is the official Bible of the LDS church.	Bible - the Bible is the inspired inerrant word of God (2 Tim. 3:16).
BISHOP	LDS - an office in the Melchizedek Priesthood of the LDS church. D&C 20:67),	Bible - An office held by a male member of the Church.
CELESTIAL HEAVEN	LDS - The highest of the three levels of heaven where faithful Mormons are exalted to Godhood.	Bible - There is no such thing as a celestial heaven.
CHURCH	LDS - The LDS church with its organizational structure, laws, and proper name.	Bible - The body of believers in the true and living God through Jesus. It is comprised of those who are redeemed and is not limited to an earthly structure.
DAMNATION	LDS - Basically, anything lesser than exaltation (becoming a God).	Bible - The state of condemnation, judged by God in eternal hell (Matt. 25:46).
DEVIL	LDS - See Satan.	Bible - See Satan.
ELOHIM	LDS - The name of God the Father.	Bible - The Hebrew word for "God." The name of God is "YHWH," which means "I AM," (Exodus 3:14).
ETERNAL LIFE	LDS - Exaltation (exaltation to a Mormon means obtaining Godhood) in the Celestial Kingdom.	Bible - Forgiveness of sins and life eternal with God (John 17:3; Rom. 6:23).
EXALTATION	LDS - The state of becoming a god in the celestial heaven.	Bible - There is no such thing as becoming a God in the Bible.
FALL OF MANKIND	LDS - A blessing (Mosiah 3: 11-16). A necessary step in the progression of humanity to the level of Godhood.	Bible - The open rebellion of Adam and Eve against God resulting in their condemnation and the fall of mankind.
GOD	LDS - One of countless gods in existence. An exalted man from another world who created the earth who's name is "Elohim." He became a god by following the laws and ordinances of his god on the other world. He has a body of flesh and bones. D&C 130: 22-23.	Bible - The one and only God in all the universe, (Isaiah 44:6,8).
GODHEAD	LDS - An office held by three separate Gods: the Father who is a god; Jesus who is a god; and the Holy Ghost who is a god.	Bible - God Himself, not an office. Three persons in one God. A Trinity: The Father; the Son; and the Holy Spirit.
GOSPEL	LDS - The laws and ordinances of the Mormon church.	Bible - The death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus for the forgiveness of the sins of all who would trust in Him (1 Cor. 15:1-4).
HEAVEN	LDS - Divided into three Kingdoms: Celestial, Terrestrial, and Telestial. The Celestial is for perfect Mormons, the Terrestrial is for moral people and lukewarm LDS, and the Telestial Kingdom is for everyone else.	Bible - The dwelling place of God (1 Kings 8:30). Christians go to heaven.
HELL	LDS - The temporary abode in the spirit world between death and resurrection for those awaiting telestial glory, (D&C 76: 84-85, 106). Hell will come to an end.	Bible - the eternal dwelling place of those who rejected the atoning work of Christ.
HOLY GHOST	LDS - "A spirit man. He can only be at one place at one time... " (Mormon Doctrine by Bruce McConkie, p. 359.) The Holy Ghost is contrasted with the Spirit of God, which is the influence of the Godhead that fills the immensity of space which enables God to know what is going on. It is likened to electricity." D&C 130: 22-23.	Bible - Third person of the Trinity. Same as Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4).
HOLY SPIRIT	LDS - The presence of God as distinguished from the Holy Ghost who is a god in the mormon trinity.	Bible - An equivalent term to Holy Ghost, third person in the Trinity.
JEHOVAH	LDS - The name of Jesus in the Old Testament.	Bible - The name of God is "YHWH," which means "I AM," (Exodus 3:14).
JESUS	LDS - Literal offspring of God the father. Spirit brother of Satan. A god in the Godhead. He is Jehovah of the O.T. compared to Elohim being the Father. He was the first spirit child to be born to the Father and Mother gods. Ordained as the Christ in the pre-existent Grand Council before coming to earth.	Bible - Jesus is God, second person of the Trinity (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9).
KINGDOM OF GOD	LDS - Celestial heaven. The kingdom of God on earth is the LDS church.	Bible - All the believers of Christ (Matt. 13:41-43).
MARRIAGE	LDS - An eternal bonding of husband and wife that continues into the afterlife. These couples will continue to have children. (D&C 132:15-20).	Bible - the holy covenant between a man and a woman that is broken at death.
MELCHIZEDEK PRIESTHOOD	LDS - A greater priesthood in the LDS church held by elders, (D&C 107),	Bible - A priesthood held by Jesus alone.
PRE-EXISTENCE	LDS - We existed in heaven with God our (literal) Father and mother before we became human.	Bible - We did not exist before we came to earth (1 Cor. 15:46).
SALVATION	LDS - Two fold meaning: Simple bodily resurrection of all people. Also, forgiveness of sins.	Bible - Forgiveness of sins with the result of a present new life and in the future eternal life with God (1 Cor. 15:1-4; Rom. 6:23; 10:9-10).
SATAN	LDS - The opposer of God, literal son of God, brother of Jesus and all people begotten in the pre-existent spirit world.	Bible - A fallen angel who rebelled against God.
SCRIPTURE	LDS - Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price.	Bible - Only the Bible is scripture.
TEMPLE	LDS - A present day temple used to practice the ordinances and ceremonies of the gospel of the LDS church on behalf of the living as well as the dead.	Bible - The Old Testament building where God dwelt, sacrifices were offered, and holy priestly rites were administered. There is no longer a need for temples.
TRINITY	LDS- Three gods: a god called the Father; a god called the son; a god called the Holy Ghost.	Bible - The one and only God in all existence who is comprised of three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. See Trinity.

Go to http://scriptures.lds.org/bd/contents for a list of Mormon words and definitions produced by the LDS church.

The Council of Tarragona of 1234,
in its second canon, ruled that:

“No one may possess the books of the Old
and New Testaments, and if anyone possesses
them he must turn them over to the local bishop
within eight days, so that they may be burned...”
- The Church Council of Tarragona 1234 AD;
2nd Cannon - Source : D. Lortsch,
Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.

As in I am removing you all from reading & thinking about what you write.

This REALLY is a good idea; as MY thoughts on things ain't worth much.

If you want to IGNORE the BIBLE verses and the MORMON writings, too; I suppose that's ok with me as well.

Sorry but the battle is good vs evil. that easy, that simple.

Spot on... Read The Book of Job.

I have not read enough of your posts to know what religion you follow—nor do I care. That is your private business and I do not poke my nose into other people’s private business. I am sorry if your mother never taught you that. I am sorry too that your life is so devoid of any compassion or empathy for others that you must compensate by making ignorant comments about other people’s religions.

You don’t have the first clue about what Christianity is—you are a fake, Elsie, and we all know it; in your heart you know we’re right. I’m beginning to think you may be a member of the Phelps family. I will pray for you.

self righteousness is not Christian.

Show me "SELF RIGHTEOUS!"

Got a transscript?

I can read a LOT faster than they can talk.

Maybe you could even just LISTEN and not tear apart and ‘re-translate’.

Sorry; but GOD did not tell ME to re-'translate' the KJV into ET.

He was quoitng Psalms: “I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. 8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

Sure was!