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There is an obvious agenda being played out just as there was during the election when everything about Obama was either hidden or dismissed by being buried in trivia or slander. It seems to me that those in control of the media KNOW that Obama is a Muslim and are working day and night to make Islam acceptable enough that they can make Obama a two-fer, the first black president and the first mulsim president. They probably know they can't keep it hidden much longer and are trying to make a silk purse of a sows' ear.
1 posted on 08/23/2010 5:19:25 AM PDT by Rashputin
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To: Rashputin

Ali Velshi, who CNN passes off as an economic genius, is a comparative religions major from Canada. He is a Democrat propagandist, as are all of CNN’s anchors.

2 posted on 08/23/2010 5:24:40 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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When Constantinople fell to the Muslims, they slaughtered the inhabitants, then rebuilt the City and invited Christians and Jews to come and do business in the city.

Nothing new here, then of course there were several Islamic invasions of Western Europe from the springboard of Spain, but hey, the Prince paid cash..

3 posted on 08/23/2010 5:25:43 AM PDT by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: Rashputin

Neither are American, either.

4 posted on 08/23/2010 5:27:28 AM PDT by ruination
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“Cordoba was one of the finest times in relations between the major religions.” Do as we say, remember your place, and we won’t kill you, at least not today. Yup. Very ecumenical. But then, that seems to be CNN’s view of the latitude to be given to the Obama government. “They aren’t asctually shooting you, are they? So shut up and just pay your increased taxes, already.”

5 posted on 08/23/2010 5:29:44 AM PDT by Pecos (Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: Rashputin
they can make Obama a two-fer, the first black president and the first mulsim president. They probably know they can't keep it hidden much longer and are trying to make a silk purse of a sows' ear.

That's a good point. You may be right.

6 posted on 08/23/2010 5:29:54 AM PDT by livius
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To: Rashputin

JournOlistas at work.

They’re everywhere and we are on to them.

They are wasting their breath.

7 posted on 08/23/2010 5:30:07 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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That’s mild! Check out this article;

8 posted on 08/23/2010 5:35:18 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Rashputin

Proving once again, that Time doesn't Shiite from Shinola

9 posted on 08/23/2010 5:37:33 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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Muslim kill one another over the slightest doctrinal disagreements. Sure, they are going to learn to embrace Christians, Jews, Hindus, Animists, Zoroastrians, ...
10 posted on 08/23/2010 5:39:18 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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One wonders why the left worships this bunch of headchoppers. Maybe it’s because headchopper central wants to eliminate Western Civilization too.

14 posted on 08/23/2010 5:45:06 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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These people have learned NOTHING from history.

These people will not love us if we bend over for them, they will merely laugh at our foolishness and continue on their centuries-long plans.

“They'll LIKE us if we do nothing after the WTC was bombed!”

“They'll LIKE us if we do nothing after the Cole was bombed!”

“They'll LIKE us if we elect Obama and get rid of the eeeevil Republicans!”

No. They'll LIKE it when we are subjugated or dead.

17 posted on 08/23/2010 5:53:45 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown. -- written by Robert Towne)
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These people cherry-pick from history in order to put their hearers to sleep. What’s the agenda here?

19 posted on 08/23/2010 5:58:08 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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Interfaith discourse? What about the places in the World where members of other religions are killed by muslims? Hard to have discourse when you’re dead. Also, look at what happens to muslims who convert. That’s hardly a tolerant attitude towards other religions.

23 posted on 08/23/2010 6:03:44 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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First, they try to paint this as a "Freedom of Religion" argument, and now try to paint over the truth of the significance of the Cordoba name.

I am so sick of the liberals stance on this issue that I am SCREAMING THIS OVERLOOKED POINT that no one who is fighting to prevent this mosque from being erected on this sight is saying. This is obviously the most simple counter to it being built at this location.

If you liberals are true proponents of the First Amendment:

You cannot claim to be supporting the mosque based on the Constitutional guarantee of Freedom of Religion - Religious Expression in America for the Islamic faith when you have denied Christians in America the right to display a cross on the highway, put up a Nativity Scene at Christmas, even say a prayer aloud that someone might hear and find "offensive."

You cannot tell us that those Christian displays or acts are offense to some few minorities and that we have to be sensitive to their feelings...and then, tell the MAJORITY of Americans that consideration of their feelings are not equally important when it comes to the Muslim desires to do what is offensive to millions.

You cannot expect that our feelings will not be offended every time there is a picture of that mosque, or we walk past it...or, more notably...EVERY DAY, every time the Islamic call to prayer blasts out at us from a tower and speaker on the building that stands in the shadow of the murder of thousands and the Islamic Jihadist attack on our country.

If you truly espouse Freedom of Religion, you liberals, then you will apply an equal bit of consideration of the feelings of the overwhelming American public.

The daily, continual offense to us that this building - at this location - will strike upon our hearts and memories requires the same sensitivity to our feelings that you have forced us to have in denying us our Constitutional right for freedom of religion/religious expression (even requiring us to say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas in order to be "politically correct") because just a few non-Christians might, possibly, OCCASIONALLY, be offended.

24 posted on 08/23/2010 6:12:45 AM PDT by CitizenM ("Do you miss me yet?" Yes, George, we do.)
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List of martyrs Cordoba:
July 11, 854. A parish priest in Ananelos, a village near Córdoba. He was arrested for having maligned Mohammad. Unlike most of the other martyrs, Abundius was betrayed by others and did not volunteer to face the Emir’s court. He was beheaded and his body was thrown to the dogs. His feast day is celebrated on July 11.

Adolphus and John
Further information: St. Adolphus
September 27 ca. 822. Two brothers born in Seville, Al-Andalus, of a Muslim father and a Christian mother. They were executed in Córdoba under Abd ar-Rahman II.

Amator, Peter and Louis
April 30, 855. Amator was born in Martos, near Córdoba, where he was an ordained priest. Together with a monk named Peter and a layman called Louis (Ludovicus), the brother of the previous martyr Paul, he was executed by the Emirate for blaspheming Islam.

Anastasius, Felix and Digna
June 14, 853. Anastasius was a deacon of the church of St. Acisclus in Córdoba, who became a monk at nearby Tábanos. Felix was born in Alcalá of a Berber family, became a monk in Asturias but joined the monastery at Tábanos, hoping for martyrdom. Digna belonged to the convent there.

(also known as Argimirus, Argimir) June 28, 856. Argimir, a nobleman from Cabra, was Emir Muhammad I’s censor. He was deprived of his office on account of his faith and became a monk. He was accused by others of having insulted the prophet Muhammad and publicly proclaimed the divinity of Jesus. Argimir was offered mercy if he renounced Christianity and professed Islam; he refused, and was executed.

(also known as Aura) July 9, 856. Born in Córdoba in Al-Andalus and a daughter of Muslim parents, in her widowhood she quietly became a Christian and a nun at Cuteclara, where she remained for more than twenty years. She was discovered by Muslim relatives, brought before a judge, and renounced her Christianity under duress. However, she regretted this, and continued to practice Christianity in secret. When her family discovered this, she was again brought before a court, refused to repent a second time, and was executed.

June 15, 853. Anastasius’ execution inspired this woman of Cordoba to choose martyrdom herself the next day. Her ashes were thrown into the Guadalquivir.

September 17, 853. Born in Córdoba and a nun at Tábanos, she was detained with the rest of the nuns, to prevent them from giving themselves up to the courts, when the Emirate closed the monastery in 852. She escaped, openly denounced Muhammad and was beheaded.

Elias, Paul and Isidore
April 17, 856. Elias, a priest in Córdoba, was executed in his old age by the Moors, together with the young monks Paul and Isidore, two of his students.

Emilas and Jeremiah
September 15, 852. Two young men, the former of whom was a deacon, imprisoned and beheaded in Cordoba under the Emir Abderrahman.

Eulogius of Cordoba
Further information: Eulogius of Cordoba
March 11, 859. A prominent priest in Córdoba Al-Andalus during this period. Outstanding for his courage and learning, he encouraged some of the voluntary martyrs and wrote The Memorial of the Saints for their benefit. He himself was executed for hiding and protecting a young girl St. Leocritia that had converted from Islam.

June 13, 853. A priest and Abbot of Peñamelaria near Córdoba. He was beheaded in Córdoba by order of Muhammad I.

Flora and Maria
November 24, 851. These two women were both the offspring of marriages between a Christian and a Muslim. In addition, Maria was the sister of Walabonsus, who had been executed earlier. Flora’s father, who died when she was very young, was a Muslim, and so her Christianity was legally defined as apostasy. Although Maria and Flora denounced Islam in court together, Maria was executed for blasphemy and Flora for apostasy.

George, Aurelius and Natalia, Felix and Liliosa
Further information: Aurelius and Natalia
July 27 c. 852. Martyrs in Córdoba under Emir Abd ar-Rahman II. Aurelius and Felix, with their wives, Natalia and Liliosa, were Iberians whose family backgrounds, although religiously mixed, legally required them to profess Islam. After given four days to recant, they were condemned as apostates for revealing their previously secret Christian faith. The deacon George was a monk from Palestine who was arrested along with the two couples. Though offered a pardon as a foreigner, he chose to denounce Islam again and die with the others.

Gumesindus and Servusdei
January 13, 852. Gusemindus, a parish-priest, and Servusdei, a monk, were executed in Cordoba under Abd ar-Rahman II.

June 3, 851. Born to a wealthy Córdoban family, he was well educated and fluent in Arabic which helped him rise quickly to the position of exceptor rei publicae in the Moorish government. He resigned in order to become a monk at his family’s monastery of Tabanos, a few miles from Córdoba. During a public debate in Cordoba he denounced Mohammed and was executed for it.

Further information: Saint Laura
October 19, 864. Born in Córdoba, as a widow she became a nun at Cuteclara. Condemned as an apostate, she was thrown into a cauldron of molten lead.

(also known as Lucretia) March 15, 859. A young girl in Córdoba. Her parents were Muslims, but she was converted to Christianity by a relative. On Eulogius’ advice and with his aid, Leocritia escaped her home and went into hiding. Once found, both were arrested. Eulogius, after years of being in and out of prison and encouraging voluntary martyrdom, was executed for proselytization, and Leocritia for apostasy.

Leovigild and Christopher
August 20, 852. Leovigild was a monk and pastor in Córdoba and Christopher a monk of the monastery of St Martin de La Rojana near Córdoba. They were executed in Córdoba under Abd ar-Rahman II.

Nunilo and Alodia
Further information: Nunilo and Alodia
October 22, 851. Two sisters born in Adahuesca in Huesca in Al-Andalus. Daughters of a Muslim father and Christian mother, they were raised as Christians. After the death of their father, their mother married another Muslim, who brutally persecuted them and had them imprisoned. They were finally beheaded in Huesca during the reign of Abd ar-Rahman II.

Paul of St Zoilus
July 20, 851. A deacon in Córdoba who belonged to the monastery of St Zoilus and who was very zealous in ministering to Christians imprisoned by the Muslims. He was beheaded; his relics are enshrined in the church of St Zoilus.

Peter, Walabonsus, Sabinian, Wistremundus, Habentius and Jeremiah
June 7, 851. Peter was a priest; Walabonsus, a deacon; Sabinian and Wistremundus, monks of St Zoilus in Córdoba in Al-Andalus; Habentius, a monk of St Christopher’s; Jeremiah, a very old man, had founded the monastery of Tábanos, near Córdoba. For publicly denouncing Muhammad they were executed under Abderrahman in Córdoba. Jeremiah was scourged to death; the others were beheaded.

Further information: Perfectus
April 18, 850. A priest in Córdoba in Al-Andalus, beheaded for testimony against Islam and Muhammad.

September 19, 835. A nun at Peñamelaria near Córdoba. She was beheaded by the Emir of Córdoba.

September 19, 853. Another nun, from the monastery of San Salvador at Peñamelaria. She escaped the imprisonment of the nuns, went before the court and was executed, despite protests from her fellow nuns.

Rudericus (Roderick) and Salomon (Solomon)
March 13, 857. Roderick was a priest in Cabra who was betrayed by his Muslim brother, who falsely accused him of converting to Islam and then returning to Christianity (i.e. apostasy). In prison he met his fellow-martyr, Salomon. They were both executed in Córdoba.

Rogellus and Servus-Dei
September 16, 852. A monk and his young disciple executed in Córdoba for publicly denouncing Islam inside a mosque. They were the first Christian martyrs executed under Muhammad I.

(also known as Sanctius, Sancius) June 5, 851. Born in Albi in Septimania(modern day France), he was taken to Córdoba in Al-Andalus as a prisoner of war, educated at the royal court, and enrolled in the guards of the Emir. He was executed by impalement for his refusal to embrace Islam, the very model of a soldier saint.

(also known as Sandalus, Sandolus, Sandulf) September 3 c. 855. Executed in Córdoba under the Emirate.

July 16, 851. Born in Badajoz in Estremadura, he became a deacon in the church of St Acisclus in Córdoba. He was beheaded under Abd ar-Rahman II.

July 25, 851. A monk executed in Córdoba in Al-Andalus under Abd ar-Rahman II.

(also known as Witesind) 855. A Christian layman from Cabra, who had converted to Islam but later recanted; he was executed for apostasy.

27 posted on 08/23/2010 6:38:04 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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Someone said "Interfaith"??

All these churches doing the interfaith dance with the creep, or claiming he is a "Christian", may as well be of this denomination:



The Church of Hitler was an actual serious effort mounted by people in the National Alliance in 2005. Crashed at once. Maybe they just lacked an Obama.

29 posted on 08/23/2010 7:04:12 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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There can be wonderful interfaith relations, as long as all acknowledge that Islam is ascendent and willingly submit.

By calling this Mosque Worship Center Interfaith Center Community Center YMCA "Cordoba House", Rauf is offering the sophisticates of New York the same deal that was offered to the people of Cordoba. They can become willing subjects of the ascendant Islamic Empire, and in return they will recieve a favored position amongst the Dhimmi, which can be quite profitable.

The sad thing is that so many New Yorkers appear to be considering the offer favorably...

32 posted on 08/23/2010 7:57:30 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (You can force me to recycle, but I will NOT sing the song!)
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First, create a problem;
Second, generate opposition to the problem;
Third, present a solution to the problem which otherwise would have been impossible without the psychological conditioning achieved in the first and second stages.

Keep your eyes open. Eventually a solution to this "problem" will be suggested. I don't think the opposition has reached the fever pitch needed to present the already-determined solution. I wonder what the elites will propose and who will be the messenger.

33 posted on 08/23/2010 8:14:28 AM PDT by Oratam
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