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To: GonzoII

“You ‘cannot’ separate the fact that conservative thinking, conservative values have strong ties to Christian teachings!”

I know I wont convince anyone with what I am about to say, but I shall share my story anyway. I used to be extremely anti-gay union of any type. Then I was reunited with a friend I hadn’t seen in 25 years. He revealead he was married, to another man. I stiffled my emotions on the phone long enough to hear his story. The two of them adopted three special needs children that, no heterosexual couples wanted. Two will die before they are mid-20’s. Two are wheelchair-bound for life. All three would have been institutionalized for their childhoods or longer. As I heard his story, images of “christians’ with “God hates fags” signs picketing went through my mind. Sermons about homosexuality that created a harshly judgemental spirit were pulled up from the pit of my memory. Filthy “christians” who wallow in their own putrid sin on internet discussion boards using terms like “cornholing” and “faggot” pierced my heart’s memory.
I am sorry, but a large portion of the chirstian community has sinned in the way they treat homosexuals. I am ashamed of christians who gay bash. Gays have been around forever and they are not going away. Stable home life for them or promote promescuity and disease? I am thankful God convicted my heart on this matter. Jesus may not have condoned gay marriage, but he was against oppression. His harsh criticisms were against the OVERLY religious....NOT the sinners.
I totally understand Beck and Coulter. I am thankful I am at peace. Your denying gays rights divides them and demans them and alienates them from Christ. You have picked a sin to punish in the realm of legal rights. How about we punish idolators with no right to .....say.......use public highways that your tax dollars fund? You sin too, but are not punished by a lack of state benefits! Gays pay taxes too. Good luck ever “loving” them to Christ that way.


49 posted on 08/14/2010 5:06:13 AM PDT by Sandy01
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To: Sandy01
We are not condemning individual people but the political homosexual agenda. A homosexual "union" is not marriage. It is a perversion of marriage. Special rights should not be given based on immoral behavior.

Do you believe that God should apologize for Sodom and Gomorrah? He said "DON'T".

53 posted on 08/14/2010 5:14:35 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Sandy01
Sorry Sandy01, but most gay blades will be down at the gaybar tonight giving and getting AIDS in the toilet ~ or maybe somewhere else.

Your friend is an exception. Sounds like he's making the best of a bad situation though.

60 posted on 08/14/2010 5:37:01 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sandy01
Stable home life for them or promote promescuity and disease?

False dichotomy, in *TWO* respects.

1) Stable home life is a lie for most homosexuals -- cheating is rampant.

2) Promote promiscuity and disease? Happens anyway. Think of analogies to the herd effect with vaccines, this time on the other end of the percentage meter.<> The only answer for homosexuals is abstinence.

I am thankful God convicted my heart on this matter. Jesus may not have condoned gay marriage, but he was against oppression.

"Go and sin some more" ...NOT!

"For the sin we are about to commit, we thank thee." ...NOT.

His harsh criticisms were against the OVERLY religious....NOT the sinners.

His harsh criticisms were against those who did NOT REPENT.

Go Google the Folsom Street Fair and tell me how repentant the participants look.

The key is this: God's righteousness is above any and all human good works. He doesn't grade on the curve. Or as President Bush said, when libs in the press tried to get him to act self-righteous about homosexuality, intending to nail him on his past drinking, "We are all sinners."

Cheers!

63 posted on 08/14/2010 5:42:46 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Sandy01

State recognized gay unions would accomplish most of what you want. But a marriage license should be reserved to a man and a woman, since that’s what marriage is.


101 posted on 08/14/2010 6:32:09 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Sandy01

What is the line from the poem about vice? First we pity, then endure, then embrace? You are at the second step.

There is a big difference between recognizing that people who commit even vile sins are God’s children, and saying, “Okay, I guess what they’re doing isn’t worth getting worked up about.”


107 posted on 08/14/2010 6:36:52 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: Sandy01
It's true that "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God". It's true that even the vilest of sinners can do loving, magnanimous acts. But, the person or the society isn't benefitted by acceptance of sin simply because sinners do good things.

"Your denying gays rights divides them and demans them and alienates them from Christ".

No, their sin alienates them from Christ, just as does the sin of anyone else.

Problems only increase when gov't legalizes matters that conflict with God's precepts.

Under those circumstances, the time will come when government's legalization of sin will make living according to God's precepts against government's laws.

389 posted on 08/14/2010 11:36:34 AM PDT by LucyJo
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To: Sandy01
I know I wont convince anyone with what I am about to say, but I shall share my story anyway. I used to be extremely anti-gay union of any type. Then I was reunited with a friend I hadn’t seen in 25 years. He revealead he was married, to another man.

Did they invite you to watch them having sex?

IF not -then you anecdotal feeling of 'goodness' was not a feeling about homosexual sex it was a good felling about humanity in general -this is normal.

You seem to confuse the sin with the person and identify the two as one and the same. This is flawed reasoning because in doing this one can not separate the sin from the sinner and falls into the trap of moral relativity e.g. he is a good man BUT he murdered so murder must be good...

Ask your self this --what are "gay people"?

Can you define them WITHOUT discussing the disordered and unhealthy sexual acrobatics they promote, are predisposed to engage in and or choose to engage in?

Are they better designers or hair stylists, more feminine or masculine, bald, fat, speak with a lisp -what exactly?

We talk about behavior alone here -not people created in the image of God...

How long will it take you to realize you have been duped by the left?

436 posted on 08/14/2010 1:20:49 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Sandy01
"..Jesus may not have condoned gay marriage, but he was against oppression. His harsh criticisms were against the OVERLY religious....NOT the sinners."

Or...as C.S. Lewis would say it:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under live robber barons than under omnipotent moral busibodies.

The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good, will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

492 posted on 08/14/2010 3:40:21 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (BP was founder of Cap & Trade Lobby and is linked to John Podesta, The Apollo Alliance and Obama)
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To: Sandy01

I have to agree with you. I work at not being judgemental toward others.


710 posted on 08/15/2010 2:30:29 PM PDT by jasonnfree
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To: Sandy01

Pedophiles don’t come to church and demand that their sin be accepted and expunged from what constitutes sin. Homosexuals do. You can just as easily make the same argument for pedophilia of which a great proportion of homosexuals seek to practice when they can get away with it.


727 posted on 08/15/2010 3:20:41 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Sandy01
This post struck me. Not because I was influenced by it, but because I have heard it before.

So gay advocates are now into repeating urban legends to help their cause?

756 posted on 08/15/2010 10:36:49 PM PDT by dan1123 (Free condoms for teens to have safe sex is like giving them bullet-proof vests for safe gun play)
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