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Krauthammer: Dead Wrong on the 14th
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 5 August 2010 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 08/06/2010 5:32:26 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob

There are parts of Fox News I cannot watch. There is that self-important blowhard. There is that worldwide ambulance chaser. But as often as I can, I watch their news program at 6 p.m. My favorite part of that program is the lightning round, and especially the contributions of Charles Krauthammer.

Charles normally dissects an issue with precision and accuracy. But not today, the 5th of August. He posed the issue whether a Congressman was right to say we need to amend the 14th Amendment to deal with the problem of anchor babies. Krauthammer made the mistake of not reading the Amendment before discussing it. So did all the other participants in the discussion.

Krauthammer correctly stated that “we should not amend the Constitution to deal with such a small problem.” He missed the opportunity to point out that the Congressman, like much of the American press and punditry, are asking the wrong question and therefore getting the wrong answer.

Let’s read the document, and see where that leads. The first sentence of the 14th Amendment says, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States….” Who gets to say who are “subject to the jurisdiction”?

Skip to the last sentence of the Amendment. It is a clause that appears in many of the Amendments. “The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”

There you have it, in the plain language of the Constitution itself. Congress can define by statute who is “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. It has long since done so with regard to children born to diplomatic personnel. A child born of Japanese diplomatic personal who is born in a D.C. hospital is Japanese at birth, not American. Why is that so? Because Congress wrote a law that says so.

Congress can solve the anchor baby problem immediately by a statute. It simply has to say that a child born of a Mexican citizen who has paid a coyote to get smuggled into the US, and risked death in the deserts of the Southwest to get to an Arizona hospital is not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the US. It can further resolve the problem by ending all preferences for all known relatives of a prior anchor baby to come into the US.

Families don’t need to be “united” in the US. They will be just as united back in Mexico, or any other nation from which pregnant women engage in “citizenship tourism.”

Those who favor open borders, where anyone who can sneak into the US is entitled to all privileges of Americans, favor the anchor baby route to make this so. After all, it’s for the children. And they add, we shouldn’t mess with the Constitution.

But the Constitution is in no danger, and both mothers and babies will be in less danger, if Congress simply writes a law to deal with the problem. And the 14th Amendment gives Congress that very power.

Why would able reporters and even college professors write and say in the press that “the Constitution is in danger,” when it isn’t? These false sources are pretending that the Constitution is in danger to keep the people from realizing that statement is false, and the solution depends only on competent Members of Congress reading and following the Constitution.

Having watched and read Charles Krauthammer’s work for decades, I know he is not corrupt, distorting the Constitution to achieve a predetermined result. Instead, Charles just failed to do his homework. But still, he was dead wrong, and contributed to the public misunderstanding of this issue.

The truth is, as that obnoxious commercial says, “It’s so easy, even a caveman could do it.” Well, if a caveman can do it, so can a Congressman (or most of them can). Rewrite the law. Solve this problem, without spending a single dime on it. Now.

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About the Author: John Armor practiced before the Supreme Court for 33 years. John_Armor@aya,yale.edu His latest book, to appear in September, is on Thomas Paine. www.TheseAreTheTimes.us

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 14thamendment; aliens; anchorbabies; foxnews; illegals; krauthammer
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The won't be news to most Freepers. But it ought to be news to 100& of the American press. And the sentient portion of Congress (maybe 70%).

John / Billybob

1 posted on 08/06/2010 5:32:28 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob

I’m getting a Google Virus Warning when visiting your site. You may want to check it out.


2 posted on 08/06/2010 5:46:43 PM PDT by jtonn
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To: Congressman Billybob

Krauthammer practiced ready, fire, aim.

He is generally more on point than this, at least compared to most of the MSM. His handicaps may have given him an advantage over the “reporters” from the “three blind mice”, Commie News, PBS and MSNBC. And certainly better than the AP (Always Propaganda) writers.

Thanks for your perspective and good observations.


3 posted on 08/06/2010 5:49:23 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,..."

IMO the distinction is right there in the wording of the Amendment. Foreign citizens are ultimately subject to the jurisdiction of their native country. Thus the ability of a foreign nation to intervene with appeals on behalf of their citizens who run afoul of the law in the U.S. It is self-evident, or should be, that the newly born offspring of a foreign citizen is also subject to the jurisdiction of their parent's native country.

Lacking a court ruling to affirm that interpretation it can certainly be clarified with additional legislation but the distinction already exists in the 14th Amendment and the Executive Branch could simply assert that it is the policy, in accord with the 14th A., that children born here of foreign citizens are not U.S. citizens.

4 posted on 08/06/2010 5:50:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

I got the virus warning too.


5 posted on 08/06/2010 5:51:02 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ( I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did. Yogi Berra)
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To: Congressman Billybob
How do you read the 14th in light of

JUSTICE BRENNAN'S FOOTNOTE GAVE US ANCHOR BABIES

From Ann Coulter ?


6 posted on 08/06/2010 5:56:06 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
John, perhaps you should provide Krauthammer with your assessment.

If he is, indeed, as you describe him (and he appears to me), he should be aware of this.

As you, I believe many interpretations of the 14th Amendment are flawed...by a failure to recognize the final clause. Congress may certainly determine who is "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Especially since it was the court who previously stepped beyond their purview and determined who was "subject to the jurisdiction thereof".

7 posted on 08/06/2010 5:57:19 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Krathammer is a neocon. He is big on nation building and a fiscal conservative, but on social issues he is very liberal.

Remember, he used to write for The New Republic and worked for Walter Mondale. I don't see why conservatives get so excited about him.

8 posted on 08/06/2010 5:59:06 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
I read Colter’s article. Brennan created as much trouble as he could. Congress can still solve the problem with a statute, as I said.

John / Billybob

9 posted on 08/06/2010 6:01:35 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.TheseAretheTimes.us)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Krauthammer also tried, last week, to tell us that the price of the Chevy Volt would be the $41,000 sticker price PLUS the $7500 tax credit. I know he majored in medicine not math, but errors like these will undermine his credibility.


10 posted on 08/06/2010 6:03:57 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob

Krauthammer STILL has failed to diagnose pres_ _ent Obama
because of his love for the undocumented,
probable Kenyan/Indonesian/Pakistani.

Krauthammer is thus non credible — even in his own field.

His nonsense about law and autmobiles show that he is
deluded, himself.


11 posted on 08/06/2010 6:13:28 PM PDT by Diogenesis (“Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God” - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Sounds like a top agenda item for the new Republican congress. Here’s hopin that we have one and that they get the message.


12 posted on 08/06/2010 6:13:34 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: Congressman Billybob
John, If you pass a statute that certain persons born in the US who are physically present in the US are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US, how would you justify prosecuting such a person if he commits a Federal crime in the US? After all, such a person is not subject to the jurisdiction of the US even though he is physically present in the US.

Or is the legal word "jurisdiction" to be given diametrically opposite meanings depending on the particular context (criminal prosecution vs. citizenship)? Or are there multiple aspects of "jurisdiction that can be changed by statute for some purposes but not others?

I don't know the answer--just asking.

13 posted on 08/06/2010 6:14:54 PM PDT by nvskibum
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To: Congressman Billybob
This is the most cogent and rational explanation of how the 14th Amendment has been misused and misunderstood with respect to the issue of illegal immigration and “anchor babies” that I have read. Thank you.
14 posted on 08/06/2010 6:15:55 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
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To: bigbob

Technically he is right. You do the Math. 41K to Omamamotors +the $7500 from the tax payers, makes 48.5K.
BTW why is it not called a Hybrid since it has an engine? Because the taxpayer portion is higher for an electric.


15 posted on 08/06/2010 6:22:19 PM PDT by barb-tex (Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears: Let the weak say I am strong.)
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To: nvskibum; Congressman Billybob

Seems to me that the 14th Amendment is written to address a specific issue relative to citizenship. Thus, issues related to criminality are not touched upon here. It is internationally recognized that a person visiting another country is subject to being held accountable when they violate laws of that country.


16 posted on 08/06/2010 6:22:52 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Papa of two new Army Brats! Congrats to my Soldier son and his wife.)
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To: All

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17 posted on 08/06/2010 6:30:52 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Let’s read the document, and see where that leads. The first sentence of the 14th Amendment says, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States….” Who gets to say who are “subject to the jurisdiction”?

Skip to the last sentence of the Amendment. It is a clause that appears in many of the Amendments. “The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”

There you have it, in the plain language of the Constitution itself. Congress can define by statute who is “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States.

Perhaps it's even more than "can," but in fact, "must."

Given that the 14th specifies not only birth, but ALSO being "subject to the jurisdiction" ("and") as requirements for US citizenship, I wonder if the lack of a specific jurisdictional law for the illegal Mexican problem actually PROHIBITS any inclusion into US citizenship.

Yeah, the anchor babies have the birth part. But where is the (apparently mandatory) declaration of subject jurisdiction in law? Is there a general jurisdiction law they are eligible for, or is such inclusion lacking? And if it IS lacking (or the general law is inadequate), isn't the jurisdictional specificity requirement of the 14th incomplete - and thus the complete US citizenship requirements unfulfilled, and therefore void?

18 posted on 08/06/2010 6:36:09 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: SoldierDad
In criminal cases, physical presence in the US while committing a crime normally confers jurisdiction on the US (unless jurisdiction is surrendered such as for diplomats, etc.)

My question is that when interpreting the 14th amendment, it is possible to give the legal term -- "jurisdiction"-- a different meaning than its "ordinary" meaning depending on the context? Or is the proper interpretation of the 14th amendment reference to "subject to the jurisdiction of the US" mean physical presence in the US when born? I have not read the cases such as Wong Kim Ark, etc., so I don't know the answer.

19 posted on 08/06/2010 6:56:06 PM PDT by nvskibum
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To: jtonn
I’m getting a Google Virus Warning when visiting your site. You may want to check it out.

Got the same warning with Norton.

20 posted on 08/06/2010 7:00:06 PM PDT by Logical me
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