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To: DustyMoment

Don’t count on it. I heard one pundit suggest that after the house goes Republican in November, Obama will move to the middle and then run again on that. Obama lies to suit his current goal. People have short memories. It could work. I wish I had more faith in my fellow Americans, but I don’t.


25 posted on 07/16/2010 10:54:11 AM PDT by twigs
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To: twigs
I heard one pundit suggest that after the house goes Republican in November, Obama will move to the middle and then run again on that.

Yeah, I wouldn't bet the farm on that prediction. We also have the story of Rahm Emmanual planning on leaving the Obama Administration (I think) by the end of the year, because Obama is too committed to political idealogy versus political reality. If the story is true (as I believe it is based on zero's actions to date), then, IMO, it is unrealistic to believe that he will shift to the center for the remainder of this first term.

I don't doubt his ability to pull the wool over people's eyes again, I just don't see it happening. And, I DO see his dedication to his idealogy in spite of mounting opposition to his policies.

43 posted on 07/16/2010 11:37:55 AM PDT by DustyMoment
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To: twigs; Noumenon
Don’t count on it. I heard one pundit suggest that after the house goes Republican in November, Obama will move to the middle and then run again on that. Obama lies to suit his current goal. People have short memories. It could work. I wish I had more faith in my fellow Americans, but I don’t.

Normally I wouldn't have too much faith that enough of the population (fellow citizens) would be awake enough to understand the gravity of the situation and what needs to be done (otherwise we wouldn't be in this deep of a national nightmare would we?).

However, this creature has to be the most polarizing political figure that I can think of, at least in this country. I don't think there will be a situation over the next couple of years in which people drift back and forth between support/opposition to this regime. Except for the small fraction of "citizens" that are fully committed statist ideologues, call it 10% at most, the vast majority of people that voted for this creature fall into the following categories:
- largely ignorant (willful or otherwise),
- led by an asinine "white guilt" of some sort,
- eagerly looking for a lifetime supply of handouts,
- or just wanted to be on the "inside, cool side" of cultural happenings.

That is, for the most part, they had no freaking clue as to what they were voting for.

Now that we are at 19 months and counting, and more and more of the purely evil and dangerous intents and actions of this regime are exposed, more and more people will wake up. (Remember, one of the most remarkable aspects of that creature's campaign was the almost total lack of any substantive descriptions of specific policies or actions to be undertaken; it was all this very nebulous (and highly malleable to the perceived desires of a given audience) "hope and change" nonsense.) And once they do awaken, and sort out their own nonsensical reasons for making a grave mistake in 2008, they will not be left sitting on the fence. That is, I don't see too many people shifting their support/opposition back and forth depending on what type of lies are being told. For once they do indeed wake up and grasp the level of deceit and pure destructive evil that they had mistakenly bought into, they are not likely to be fooled twice.

That's my working theory at the moment (and maybe I am just grasping at straws to give myself comfort enough to sleep more than a couple of hours each night!). It is what I sense that is starting to happen in this country. Of course I could be very wrong; very, very wrong. However, I believe that the careless, reckless, and arrogant manner in which this regime has "governed" has planted the seeds for its downfall (way too much, way too fast (and with an arrogant smug look on its face all throughout)). So no matter how much more clamping down comes before 11/2012, they have overplayed their opening hands and there will not be enough sheep left to fool again. (Even if we see major assaults on our freedoms to share information openly, e.g., severe censorship of the Internet and talk radio, the very fact that such draconian measures are undertaken will prove to be more troublesome for the regime than useful.)

Of course all of this assumes a legitimate election process in both 2010 and 2012. Absent wholesale fraud and rigging, I would doubt that no more than 15% of the voting public will allow themselves to be manipulated and abused again. Add that 15% to the 10% that are the committed statists that we described above, and you got about 1/4 of the country voting for another term of rapidly hardening tyranny and death, not enough to carry the day.

As I said above, I could be very wrong about how this plays out. And last night as I drifted off to sleep I was nowhere near this optimistic about anything. These thoughts above sort of crystalized for me throughout the day today. While I think that I have been desperately looking for something in all of this chaos to make me feel better for quite sometime, I have been missing any evidence of a public turning point. Earlier today I was listening to Kudlow on his weekly radio show (even though he angered me so much in the past that I swore him off). For some, perhaps masochistic, reason I decided to tune in again while I worked out in my shop. What I found very encouraging was the fact that he didn't immediately cut off and tune out a few of the callers that made intelligent and rational descriptions of what this regime was actually doing in front of our faces and what appears to be the underlying motivations for these actions. I know that even 2-3 months ago he would have immediately talked down calls such as these and made light of them. Perhaps I am reading too much into Mr. Kudlow's apparent awakening, but I have coupled that with the fact that the business community (at least significant members of it) are finally getting up the nerve to call this regime out publicly. Maybe I am premature in my identification of a true turning point, only time will tell.

52 posted on 07/17/2010 3:57:08 PM PDT by zzeeman (Existence exists.)
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