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Rand Paul Won’t Say How Old the Earth Is. (Whiny liberal hates Creationists)
True/Slant ^ | 6-28-2010 | Charles Johnson

Posted on 06/29/2010 4:21:08 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist

Rand Paul Won’t Say How Old the Earth Is
Charles Johnson
The Lizard Annex 6-28-2010

From PageOneKentucky.com, here’s a video of GOP candidate Rand Paul addressing a convention of Christian homeschoolers, and dodging a question about the age of the Earth.

The questions asked by the homeschoolers in the video: 1) are you a Christian, 2) how old is the Earth, and 3) will you let the UN take our children. Yep, really. And these are the teachers asking these questions. They’re raising a generation of kids who are ignorant anti-science fanatics, afraid that the United Nations is going to come and kidnap them. Good grief.

Did he dodge the question because he’s a creationist and he knows that he shouldn’t reveal it for political reasons, or because he’s not a creationist and he knows he shouldn’t reveal it for political reasons? Either way, this is very sleazy behavior.

My opinion: I think he probably is a creationist, just like his father Ron Paul, because his world view matches the creationist world view in every respect.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: creation; creationism; homeschooling; paulestinians; paulistinians; pitchforkpat; randpaul
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To: Christian_Capitalist
We'll out-spend and out-breed you and your kind. Simple as that.

The commies have to get our kids. That's why they seek to outlaw homeschooling and parental authority. It is the current and active agenda of the left to make sure that those kids you're "breeding" end up as the ideological children of the left.

121 posted on 06/29/2010 9:44:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
Me and my kind? LOL!

The actual demand of the actual free market is not just in education, it is ALSO in what someone is going to DO with that education.

The Free Market has a demand for actual highly trained biologists.

The Free Market has no similar demand for highly trained creationists.

If ‘you and your kind’ refuse to teach your kids science in this highly competitive and increasingly technological world you may well out-breed us; but quality has a way of winning out over quantity.

My “kind” will say “The results of these data do not show statistical significance between groups”.

Your “kind” will say “Do you want fries with that?”

122 posted on 06/29/2010 9:46:23 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream; Christian_Capitalist

Not always.

If they aren’t they’re sued into oblivion by some God hating parent in cahoots with the ACLU.

Would you like to see AGAIN the statistics showing grassroots support for teaching creation in public schools? I’d have to look it up but I know I have it available.


123 posted on 06/29/2010 9:46:44 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: allmendream
You still have not provided a source for the statistics you claim.

2006 nationwide CBS Poll:

Numerous further studies could be cited, all of similar percentages.

School boards, even in conservative strongholds, that introduce creationist lesson plans, get thrown out by voters. How do you explain this?

It's proven useless to fight the Supreme Court's protection of Evolutionism in the Government Schools.

Ergo, the solution is not to attempt to "capture" the Government Schools, but simply to abolish them.

He who pays the piper, calls the tune. None of your arguments really matter, if Creationist Parents get to choose with their pocketbooks, as to what kind of schools we wish to send our kids.

We'll out-spend and out-breed you and your kind. Simple as that.

124 posted on 06/29/2010 9:48:35 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: metmom
So by that construction everyone who opposes teaching creationism in school is “God hating”?

School boards that attempt to introduce creationism in school get voted out of office.

Moreover, once you decide to teach religious beliefs in public school; do you teach Mormonism in Utah, Islam in Michigan? How would that be determined?

125 posted on 06/29/2010 9:50:33 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

I also have stats on SAT/ACT scores for homeschoolers.


126 posted on 06/29/2010 9:50:47 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: allmendream
My “kind” will say “The results of these data do not show statistical significance between groups”. Our “kind” will say “Do you want fries with that?”

Given the fact that there's a lot more of us than there are of you, and the fact that we breed a lot more kids -- allow the Free Market to work, and in a few generations "your kind" won't say anything at all.

Because there won't be enough economic demand to support Evolution-Only Schools.

127 posted on 06/29/2010 9:51:24 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
That is not what you claimed.

You claimed that 80% support teaching creationism.

“Since those who support the teaching of Creationism as the sole or alternate explanation of life on Earth (80% of all Americans)”

Got a source for that?

And you seem to be blind to the fact that there is more than just education at stake here. The Free Market is not just education. It is what PRODUCTS and SERVICES you are going to provide WITH that education.

Science education provides value, there is a Free Market demand for highly trained scientists.

There is no similar Free Market demand for highly trained creationists.

That is because science produces value in terms of discovery and products.

Creationism produces nothing of value.

128 posted on 06/29/2010 9:54:48 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream; Christian_Capitalist

Actually, this parents Christian creationist homeschooled kids were all INVITED to join the honors programs in their respective big name private universities.

The public school kids they know are the ones flipping burgers.

The public school system is so abysmal that there’s no way that the couple days they spend on the ToE n Sophomore Biology is going to make any difference in the future of those illiterate dropouts.


129 posted on 06/29/2010 9:54:48 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; allmendream
I also have stats on SAT/ACT scores for homeschoolers.

I know. And the homeschoolers ALWAYS crush the Evolutionists in every area of intellectual endeavor.

But, the Evolutionists like to believe that they're the "smart ones", all competitive evidences to the contrary.

So, I don't even bother getting into a pizzing contest with these Evolutionist morons whom I know don't rank anywhere near my own 1490 SAT score (I really think I could have broken 1550 if I wasn't such an undisciplined wild child, and had actually studied for the thing -- and I'm an old enough coot to be talking about the old SATs, not the more recent dumbed-down versions). I permit them their conceits...

...and just remind them that the only reason that Evolutionism survives, is the Subsidy and Monopoly advantages that they enjoy due to Evolutionist Government Schooling.

Eliminate that, and they'll be bred out of existence soon enough.

130 posted on 06/29/2010 9:57:05 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
But there will be Free Market demand for trained scientists.

Therefore there will be Free Market demand for education that would produce a scientist.

The Free Market has use for science.

The Free Market has found no productive use for creationism.

You use a funny selective advantage natural selection argument for someone who doesn't subscribe to the theory of evolution through natural selection of genetic variation!

My and my “kind”, assuming we reproduce after our kind, will be highly trained professionals with advanced degrees in science, and high paying jobs, provided by the Free Market, because they know that we will produce value.

131 posted on 06/29/2010 9:59:25 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream; metmom
That is not what you claimed. You claimed that 80% support teaching creationism.

Creationism (55%), or Theistic Evolutionism (27%).

55% + 27% = 82%

Are you actually incapable of simple arithmetic? Really?

I wouldn't worry about it. Most fast-food places have registers which will do the math for you, these days. I'm sure you'll be fine.

And you seem to be blind to the fact that there is more than just education at stake here. The Free Market is not just education. It is what PRODUCTS and SERVICES you are going to provide WITH that education.

You just don't get it, do you?

Given the Economic choice, we will not send our children to Evolutionist Schools, REGARDLESS of your purported "Product Value" for Evolutionism.

It doesn't matter what "Product Value" you believe Evolutionism has, if Parents aren't willing to spend money teaching it to their kids. Given a Free Market educational system, Creationist Parents WILL NOT send our children to Evolutionist Schools, because we consider it a form of Child Abuse.

Evolution-Only Schools will die out, because the Parents, who have the Money, won't purchase their services.

132 posted on 06/29/2010 10:03:30 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Eagle Eye

Preach on, Eagle Eye.


133 posted on 06/29/2010 10:05:13 AM PDT by morkfork (Candygram for Mongo)
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To: Mygirlsmom
And Barack Obama won't say where he was born.

Actually, he has. You just don't believe him.

134 posted on 06/29/2010 10:05:28 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: allmendream; metmom
re: your #131.

I repeat:

Given the Economic choice, we will not send our children to Evolutionist Schools, REGARDLESS of your purported "Product Value" for Evolutionism.

It doesn't matter what "Product Value" you believe Evolutionism has, if Parents aren't willing to spend money teaching it to their kids. Given a Free Market educational system, Creationist Parents WILL NOT send our children to Evolutionist Schools, because we consider it a form of Child Abuse.

Evolution-Only Schools will die out, because the Parents, who have the Money, won't purchase their services.

135 posted on 06/29/2010 10:05:33 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: allmendream; Christian_Capitalist; MrB

We’re already teaching religious beliefs in public schools, secular humanism and atheism, which is being dictated by the government.

Local schools should be paid for and run by local communities and reflect local communities standards.

Government control of public schools has ruined them, as it ruins EVERYTHING the government gets its hands on.

You cannot justify the damage done to education in this country all in the name of supporting the teaching of evolution. Kids in public schools can barely read and write, if they graduate in the first place.

How do you think that teaching the ToE is going to correct that? Will it make them more literate and numerate?

If they can barely read and write, what makes you think that they can correctly understand the ToE and what harm do you think that teaching creation is going to do?

Until the Scopes Trials and evolution was introduced into public schools and creation gradually edged out, all kids were taught creationism and the Bible and it happened during the first couple centuries of this country’s history, when tremendous advances were made in scientific research and technology.

Clearly that situation didn’t hinder the progress we made then.

Public education has continued to decline in the last century, at the same time that creationism was being forced out of public schools and evolution introduced.

It goes to disprove your assertion that bringing creation back into public schools is going to ruin public education.

You’re now left trying to explain how the very thing that you claim is necessary for our country to succeed coincides with the steady continued decline of science and math in the public education sector, and how your solution is going to improve it.


136 posted on 06/29/2010 10:07:36 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Christian_Capitalist

My kid’s were 1530 SAT, 32 ACT and 33 ACT.

And all going into science/technology fields.

Real dummies, eh?


137 posted on 06/29/2010 10:10:16 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
My kid’s were 1530 SAT, 32 ACT and 33 ACT. And all going into science/technology fields. Real dummies, eh?

I confess the sin of Envy, but applaud your parentage.

Now I really wish I had studied for the SATs. I really would have liked to break 1500, at least. 1490 was just so close, I could taste it.

Oh well, I have my excuses. Hard for a teenage kid to have much discipline when his dad just died.

138 posted on 06/29/2010 10:14:10 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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To: Christian_Capitalist
So, I don't even bother getting into a pizzing contest with these Evolutionist morons whom I know don't rank anywhere near my own 1490 SAT score (I really think I could have broken 1550 if I wasn't such an undisciplined wild child, and had actually studied for the thing -- and I'm an old enough coot to be talking about the old SATs, not the more recent dumbed-down versions). I permit them their conceits...

And this comment really shows your prejudices and arrogance that has turned me off from homeschoolers such as yourself. I teach them at the freshman/sophomore college level. Physics. And they're great at reiterating and regurgitating. Haven't seen one yet that is as good thinking outside the box as they are being an information automaton. Your supposed scientific arrogance and elitist attitude is a perfect example of what I see daily in class. It does not do the Christian faith good. (And I am one)

139 posted on 06/29/2010 10:15:28 AM PDT by morkfork (Candygram for Mongo)
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To: morkfork
I wasn't homeschooled. You think my mom could home-school me right after my father had just died? SHEESH, but you've got a lot of arrogant presumption, for someone who's never even posted to me before.

Next time, why don't you try getting to know me a little better before you start with the insults. Thank you for your concern.

140 posted on 06/29/2010 10:18:28 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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