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At inmate's request, Utah prepares firing squad
Associated Press ^
| June 8, 2010
| JENNIFER DOBNER
Posted on 06/08/2010 2:57:37 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Barring a last-minute reprieve, Ronnie Lee Gardner will be strapped into a chair, a hood will be placed over his head and a small white target will be pinned over his heart.
The order will come: "Ready, aim..."
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To: leapfrog0202
“I wonder why he wants the firing squad. Odd choice.”
Something to do with mormonism and a belief that blood letting is necessary, I believe.
Or, he is a former soldier and is requesting a soldier’s death.
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posted on
06/08/2010 3:28:24 PM PDT
by
Jewbacca
(The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
To: Max_850
Sounds good in theory, but I am fairly certain the person with the blank will notice a reduced recoil when he fires. If one of them shouts, "Aw CRAP!" you know he got the blank.
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posted on
06/08/2010 3:29:29 PM PDT
by
Richard Kimball
(We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
To: 2aberro
Being shot by a firing squad like a courageous spy serving his own country is a more dignified method of execution than a common criminal deserves IMHO. People like him should die ignominiously at the end of a rope, not a glorious hail of bullets...
To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Except Camus was wrong. When executions were public affairs, they became no more than macabre theatre. Vendors sold food, drink, and souvenirs to the crowd, which was often raucous. Nor was it a deterrent. At a time when pickpocketing was a capitol offense in England, pickpockets worked the crowds at public executions.
I’m in favor of the death penalty, but not as a public event. Public executions went behind closed doors for a reason. The people who made that decision had seen what the public events were like.
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posted on
06/08/2010 3:30:35 PM PDT
by
balch3
To: Niuhuru
Good idea, prevents the one police officer with the actual bullets from being singled out and provides a mental safety valve. Not really, there is an obvious difference when you fire a blank compared to a real round. No recoil.
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posted on
06/08/2010 3:30:58 PM PDT
by
usurper
(Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
To: Niuhuru
“Good idea, prevents the one police officer with the actual bullets from being singled out and provides a mental safety valve.”
The way it works is that there is only one officer out of the five who has a blank instead of an actual bullet. So, provided that all the marksmen aim correctly, the condemned prisoner should be struck by four bullets, but none of the marksmen will no which one of them fired a blank. For the each of the officers, this is supposed to provide some psychological relief in knowing that maybe he didn’t really fire a bullet killing the prisoner, so this should provide a mental safety valve as you mentioned.
To: Free ThinkerNY
Guess he wants to go out with a bang.
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posted on
06/08/2010 3:31:53 PM PDT
by
N. Theknow
(Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
To: Recovering Ex-hippie
There is a very famous essay by the French existentialist author of the 30s and fortiesAlbert Camus where he presents forth the rationale for having public executions...that is, if the death penalty is to be a deterrent, than all, including children should be shown the dire consequences.
Except that it has little effect. Most criminals think that they won't get caught. And if they get caught they don't believe that the punishment will be carried out. So the severity or ghastliness of the punishment is not a deterrent. Therefore capital punishment must be considered a specific rather than a general deterrent. IOW you are 100% sure that the condemned will never commit the crime again.
The death penalty is a disposal for societies garbage and thus should be carried out as simply and efficiently as possible. The Chinese do it right. One high velocity rifle shot at point blank range to the back of the head. Messy, but instant. And no fancy ceremony, just taking out the trash.
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posted on
06/08/2010 3:33:45 PM PDT
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: 2aberro
I take it you have never shot a deer and have it drop straight down and not move again? Given the choice between electrocution and firing squad,,, I'd take the bullet.
Less to go wrong. If even one of the five shooters knows his job there won't be a botched execution. There have been a bunch of botched lethal injections or electrocutions.
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posted on
06/08/2010 3:37:00 PM PDT
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: al baby
Who came up with the idea that convicted murderers shouldn't have to suffer cruel and unusual punishment? There are certain crimes that deserve to be singled out for special types of punishment. The two career criminals who raped and murdered the doctor's family in Cheshire Ct. are a good example. They brutalized, raped and burned his wife and two young daughters to death. There is no such thing as cruel and unusual when it comes to the punishment these two scumbags deserve.
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posted on
06/08/2010 3:37:13 PM PDT
by
peeps36
(The White House Is Full Of Hole Pluggers. It's The Chicago Way)
To: Max_850
Agreed. It’s less to salve the soul of the shooter (who has to be a volunteer) than to provide plausible deniability against any seeker of vengeance.
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posted on
06/08/2010 3:39:15 PM PDT
by
ExGeeEye
(Palin/Undecided 2012...make that Palin/Whoever She Picks...)
To: Richard Kimball
I guess if you wanted to know for sure you could go for a head-shot...
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posted on
06/08/2010 3:39:29 PM PDT
by
Max_850
To: GonzoGOP; balch3
you all make excellant points.
If I am correct, Camus ‘essay was to make a statement against capital punishment...in any case.,...what about the remote island concept..like australia was for hardened criminals.
To: Max_850
Sounds good in theory, but I am fairly certain the person with the blank will notice a reduced recoil when he fires. I've never shot a blank, but was thinking the same thing. Now I have to get some blanks and try them.
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posted on
06/08/2010 3:41:54 PM PDT
by
wvguy
(Montani semper liberi)
To: Max_850
All kidding aside, in Texas the warden at Huntsville said he gets a lot of requests from people to open the drug lines when they do a lethal injection. They’re all turned down.
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posted on
06/08/2010 3:43:36 PM PDT
by
Richard Kimball
(We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
To: Niuhuru
I don’t know the yearly average, but the death penalty means something in Texas. This bishop and everyone else opposed to the death penalty are missing the point about capital punishment. It’s a punishment for a past crime, not a deterrent for a future one. I just wish these death penalty opponents stopped and thought about the brutal deaths the victims suffered as much as they do about the animals being put down by the state.
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posted on
06/08/2010 3:44:35 PM PDT
by
bigredkitty1
(March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
To: AU72
“In the words of Utah firing squad target, Gary Gilmore:
“Lets do it!””
Actually, I heard his last words were “Shoot straight you basta*ds” He left in style.
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posted on
06/08/2010 3:45:28 PM PDT
by
Wpin
("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
To: Richard Kimball
In a way, I could see offering that to the victim’s family.
Not sure it would give a person any closure. But I could understand some family members taking the warden up on that offer....
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posted on
06/08/2010 3:49:00 PM PDT
by
Max_850
To: Track9
How about draw and quarter them? And instead of using horses use the evil SUV'S.
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posted on
06/08/2010 3:51:09 PM PDT
by
guitarplayer1953
(Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
To: Track9
"The firing squad is archaic, it's violent, and it simply expands on the violence that we already experience from guns as a societyI knew there was something I liked about it. I just couldn't put my finger on it.
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posted on
06/08/2010 3:53:21 PM PDT
by
paul51
(11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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