Sarah Palin Is A Republican Who Speaks At Tea Party Events Occasionally

Liberty Pundits ^ | May 7, 2010 | Melissa Clouthier

[FTJM]

Many Sarah Palin devotees seem shocked that Sarah Palin endorsed Carly Fiorina for Senator. They believed Sarah Palin to be representative of the Tea Party–who all endorse Chuck DeVore.

Sarah Palin is first, a Republican.

Sarah Palin has shown loyalty to John McCain and Carly Fiorina is a friend to John. Perhaps she feels it’s only right.

Sarah Palin speaks at Tea Party events and likes certain principles, but by her own admission she does not represent the Tea Party. In fact, she arrived late to the Tea Party–it had been growing and thriving for months before her first speech at an event. She then signed on with Tea Party Express, whom many Tea Party activists view as a Republican organization (as opposed to a grassroots organization) to speak at the anchoring events.

Was it a good political move to endorse Carly Fiorina? Not for Sarah…and maybe not for Carly. This is California, after all, and Chuck DeVore has the Tea Party and serious conservative vote wrapped up. Some have speculated that this endorsement was a desperate move to shore up a failing campaign. Although, it looks like many big donors are going to move in to help Carly because they believe she has the best chance against Barbara Boxer.

Once more, I believe the establishment is wrong. First, they’re misjudging the grassroots sentiment. A Sarah Palin endorsement won’t win Carly Fiorina votes. It just won’t. And it’s condescending and tone-deaf to believe it will. Second, Carly Fiorina is not the best candidate–in the primary or the general.

[Syncro]

The Field Poll is our only data at this point.

Then you are totally without a clue

It's YOUR only data, not OUR only data. I have collected a mass amount of data, but you only want to reference ONE poll.

The polling data doesn't hold up in the reality of those that "strongly support the tea party"

Go talk to some, like many of us have

Wanna post your ONE poll results again? LOL

Alinsky would like that

[ansel12]

You proved nothing, the California polling shows that “Among the California voters that identify with the tea party the strongest, Fiorina wins them. Devore does not”.

You have never countered that poll with anything other than your endless blabber.

[Syncro]

My points are valid and substantiated

Your ad hominem attacks of "blabber" instead of accepting what and who the tea partiers really support only weaken your position.

Here's the facts you missed, or ad hominem'ed:

Syncro to ansel12

Those are weird results for “tea party identification”

I don’t know of any contact with the tea partiers from Fiorina and Campbell

Syncro to ansel12

The writer of the article is a liar, the tea party support goes to Fiorina, not Devore

No it doesn't go to Fiorina.

California's Tea Party candidate for the Republican nomination (to take on sitting Democratic Senator Barbara Boxer) has seen his chances dwindle. Chuck DeVore...

And

A poll showing a candidate down 17 percentage points would put a damper on most campaigns, but Chuck DeVore points to it as cause for optimism in his bid to win the Republican nomination to challenge Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer.

The Irvine assemblyman has become a torchbearer for California Tea Party activists, winning the endorsement of the Tea Party Express and the conservative California Republican Assembly. He's been a consistent voice in Sacramento and on the Internet in calling for smaller government and lower taxes, and for opposition to abortion and gay marriage.

"We are gaining momentum," DeVore said Thursday at a meeting with news and editorial writers at the Register. "Fiorina and Campbell are coming back to Earth. Our internal (polls) show that Campbell's support is from conservatives who don't know that he was in favor of taxes and when they find out, they shift mostly from him to me – not from him to Fiorina, because Fiorina is perceived as more moderate."

Plus

DeVore, a darling of the conservative Tea Party movement, would seem well suited to make a fundraising splash in the traditionally right-leaning Inland area.

I can't seem to find any Tea Party support for anyone but DeVore in regards to this race. Maybe you can, besides that poll.

Syncro to ansel12

I don't depend on polls

It seems that is all you use to determine what you believe

Personal experience and rubbing elbows with thousands of Tea Party attendees and continued communication with the movement is worth more than the polls

Show me something other than polls showing where others are aligned with the tea party more than DeVore and we might have a basis for communication on this

Syncro to ansel12

The poll doesn't prove they chose Fiorina...

Syncro to ansel12

The tea partiers themselves are more accurate than your 2,000 year old poll

I've talked to thousands of them

Like I said, buy into the media spin or not it's your choice

Syncro to ansel12

The only collection of their views is the poll

LOLOL!

That last one is really funny, I have been collecting their views for over a year.

ansel12 to Syncro

Yes, to know the views of a group of people on a subject, someone has to question them and collect the information, so far, only field poll has done that.

Oh I have been doing that for over a year

ansel12 to Syncro

We have California polling data, you have nothing to refute it with.

Read the above posts again, if you even did before.

Syncro to ansel12

We have California polling data

Yes you do, and that's all you have and all you want.

I have real life data collected on the ground.

Show me anything else proving your point besides your poll if you want to show that your poll has any validity

Your poll doesn't show that any of their TPM choices have been at or any teaparties or been endorsed by any tea partiers or tea party orgs.

ansel12 to Syncro This will have to go down as one of my odder experiences here, good luck with your California wide, “data collecting”.

Nationwide actually, but we are just concerned with California here

Syncro to ansel12

Alright good job, I'm downright proud of you!

We've exposed that poll for trying to twist the facts

I've asked you upthread more than once to show me some proof that the tea party supports Fiorina, but you choose not to. I understand your sole source is polls, but I put stock in what a person says.

Here's some stuff from the "horses mouth" so to speak

Carly Fiorina Drinks the Tea

— Flickr/dfarber (Creative Commons).

She's a former CEO and the Tea Party endorsed her rival [ Not a poll, just a pesky fact ]. But this GOP candidate in the California Senate race calls herself an anti-elitist Tea Partier.[ So she is a self-appointed tea partier ]

Though a national Tea Party group endorsed state Assemblyman Chuck DeVore over former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina in the California Republican Senate primary, Fiorina isn't holding any grudges. She's using the Tea Party movement to raise money [Ah ha that's the connection]

Fiorina's letter is loaded with Tea Party rhetoric. Fiorina declares, "As a life-long fiscal conservative, I'm ready to send a message to Washington: we have had enough government expansion and taxation!" She slams Obama for mocking "us," as if she, too, is a Tea Partier.

(DeVore was one of the few officeholders invited to speak at a Tea Party rally in Nevada in late March with Sarah Palin.) This former corporate honcho—whose stint at HP was marked by massive layoffs and controversy—wants to be seen as a Tea Partier, too.

...despite her own CEO past becoming a potential liability and Tea Party activists endorsing a rival, Fiorina has a clear political strategy: her own corporate takeover of the Tea Party.

Seems to have worked, the polls show that she has taken it over!

I'd give you the source, but it's not a poll so I won't bother

More, would you like to address the credibility issue below. You know where you deny saying something you said?

Syncro to ansel12

What is it with you, I never said “the tea party supports Fiorina”

Well here is a quote of yours from post #127:

The writer of the article is a liar, the tea party support goes to Fiorina, not Devore

The writer of the article isn't lying so the obvious conclusion can be drawn from your statement.

You are confusing an out of state tea party express group with the California voter polling that I told you about

I only know of one Tea Party Express "group" and it originated and is based in California

They had DeVore speak at their kickoff Tea Party when they did Tea Party Express Tour III, and THOUSANDS of tea party Californians cheered him, as well as thousands of tea partiers from across the whole nation.

Fiorina has NOT spoken at any tea party events but has, in the eyes of some, successfully co-opted the Tea Party Movement (which you can see from a previous post above that her plan was exactly that) and convinced those that ignore facts that she is the Tea Party candidate.

Not so much

None of this really matters because tea partiers overwelmingly support DeVore

ansel12 to Syncro

"Among the California voters that identify with the tea party the strongest, Fiorina wins them. Devore does not."

You keep confusing a national tea party group with the only polling of California voters that ask about the tea party.

Among the California voters that identify with the tea party the strongest, Fiorina wins them. Devore does not."

If you have some California polling data, show it.

What I do wish you would do, is think through things before you keep wasting my time. I get tired of this childish game you keep playing.

BTW, that last sentence is called projection

Syncro to ansel12

"Among the California voters that identify with the tea party the strongest, Fiorina wins them. Devore does not."

Well, I have proven that not true. "Poll" accuracy notwithstanding

I'm not cornfuzed, you are Ansell

"You keep confusing a national tea party group with the only polling of California voters that ask about the tea party

You keep confusing polls with reality

Thousands of Californians came out CHEERING for DeVore, let's just call that a poll ok?

Now you get it?

What do you have with against a national tea party group that represents tea partiers quite well?

Believe me, they are a lot more informed about what is going on in California then you are.

Perhaps I should copy your methods and say you don't know anything about what is going on in California because you don't live here

If inundating you with facts is wasting your time, just don't respond.

One more time here is your credibility at stake, do you want to address it?

Syncro to ansel12

[ansel12:] What is it with you, I never said “the tea party supports Fiorina”

[Me:]Well here is a quote of yours from post #127:

[ansel12:] The writer of the article is a liar, the tea party support goes to Fiorina, not Devore

[Me:] The writer of the article isn't lying

To the rest of you on this thread, I apologise for this long post. It appears some facts have been missed by a poster so I wanted to put it all in one place for him/her.

[ansel12]

Sorry, the polling data shows that California voters that strongly support the tea party, also support Fiorina over Devore and Campbell.

The Field Poll is our only data at this point. When you get a California voter poll that includes tea party supporters and contradicts the one we have, then post it.

[Syncro]

Sorry polls are what you base your beliefs on, I go with facts when they counter the polls

Plus I believe in honesty also.

You posted:

The writer of the article is a liar, the tea party support goes to Fiorina, not Devore

And I repeated it, and you denied saying it:

What is it with you, I never said “the tea party supports Fiorina”

You called the writer a liar, then you lied.

You have as much credibility as your poll, denying your own postings.

[ansel12]

This is a California race, of the California voters that strongly support the tea party, the highest number of them support Carly Fiorina, nor Devore.

I posted this and it is accurate.

To: Mamzelle; FTJM
Carly Fiorina is the favorite of tea party voters in California. Devore did not win that poll.

70 posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 1:26:39 PM by ansel12 (Romney

[Syncro]

Carly Fiorina is not the favorite of tea party voters in California

Of the California voters that strongly support the tea party, the highest number of them support Devore.

You posted:

The writer of the article is a liar, the tea party support goes to Fiorina, not Devore

And I repeated it, and you denied saying it:

What is it with you, I never said “the tea party supports Fiorina”

You called the writer a liar, then you lied.

[Catsrus]

Your post doesn’t make sense. You said that Boxer wasn’t the problem, but, I state that she is a HUGE problem and needs to be sent packing.

It doesn’t look like DeVore has a prayer of winning either the primary or the general election against Madame Boxer.

[Syncro]

It doesn’t look like DeVore has a prayer of winning either the primary or the general election against Madame Boxer.

California is full of conservatives, many of whom are waking up to the realities of the political situation these days.

DeVore has a better chance of beating Boxer than anyone else in the running

[ansel12]

That was about the confusion of me meaning the voters that are the strongest supporters of the tea party, supporting Fiorina in the election, and your mixing it up with the national, non California, non voting (in this election, or any other California election) tea party people, as far as I know, the national voters and/or the national tea party people have never been polled on the California Senate race.

I know that Devore was endorsed by a national organization, the tea party express, which your author describes negatively, “She then signed on with Tea Party Express, whom many Tea Party activists view as a Republican organization (as opposed to a grassroots organization)”.

The bottom line is that the only polling of California voters that includes the tea party question that I have seen, has the voters that most strongly identify with the tea party, supporting Fiorina, not Devore.

[Syncro]

None are as blind as those that will not see

That was about the confusion of me meaning the voters that are the strongest supporters of the tea party, supporting Fiorina in the election, and your mixing it up with the national, non California, non voting...

I'll stop you right there as you are attributing "mixing it up" to me when it is you that are mixed up.

Really, I'm not interested in your leftist spin

And I don't have an author. The author is a liar anyway, right?

Speaking of liars:

You posted:

The writer of the article is a liar, the tea party support goes to Fiorina, not Devore

And I repeated it, and you denied saying it:

What is it with you, I never said “the tea party supports Fiorina”

You called the writer a liar, then you lied.

Carly Fiorina is not the favorite of tea party voters in California

Of the California voters that strongly support the tea party, the highest number of them support Devore.

[stockpirate]

You should go start a website for progressive RINO socialist republicans and see how that works.

[FTJM]

Interesting, Palinistas were the purists until they weren’t...

[ajay_kumar]

You got that right....Carly is the best candidate because she has the best chance to win in CA, and I always like winners over losers. Now that does not mean Carly is the most conservative candidate. But a losing conservative does no one any good.

My respect for Sarah Palin went up a notch....err...make it 3 notches.

[ajay_kumar]

Good post! You seem to have more common sense than most other posters, and you seem to value winning over losing by insisting on purity.

[Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears]

The stupidest thing any Tea Party organization could do is let some “personality” allow themselves to latch onto it and become the face of it.

It is counter to what the Tea Party is.

I am so sick of self-serving politicians using us and then screwing us over (I.e. The McLame and Carly Fiorina endorsements).

Sarah Palin is spitting in the faces of many of her supporters, or at the very least, presuming upon them.

[FTJM]

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