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Are we going to allow Lt. Col Terry Lakin to go to prison?
Sioux Falls Conservative Examiner ^ | 4-26-10 | Lori Stacey

Posted on 04/27/2010 11:18:54 PM PDT by STARWISE

If you have been keeping up with the efforts of Americans across the country on the ineligibility issue of Obama, you will have undoubtedly heard about the serious situation involving Lt Colonel Terry Lakin. I had posted his video in a previous article.

The latest update as of this writing is that the US Army is going to proceed with a Court Martial against him. He has been reassigned to Walter Reed Army Medical Center but stripped of the right to practice medicine.

His computer has been seized. He was also on track to be promoted to full Colonel which of course has also been scrapped.

This gentleman has risked his entire military career on trying to finally settle the issue of an unlawful Commander In Chief, a Usurper according to our Constitution.

Are we as South Dakotans, are we as Americans going to just let an honorable man like this lose everything for standing up for the truth?

He is now facing the possibility of being sent to Ft. Leavenworth prison for seeking justice against overwhelming corruption of our political and judicial systems.

Everyone wants to keep making the issue more complicated than it is. There is no need of uncovering sealed documents to prove this case. There is no need of obtaining a real long-form birth certificate. These are all practically unobtainable distractions from the simple core facts.

It is what it is by virtue of not being born to TWO US citizens which he freely admits and is a requirement to be considered "Natural Born".

To back this definition up, the Constitution states that a person is ineligible for President if they are born with dual citizenship as they would have an allegiance to an additional country besides the United States.

There are now 2 different Supreme Court Justices that have gone on the record implying that either he is indeed ineligible to hold the office or acknowledging a concerted effort to cover this up by the US Supreme Court.

Justice Ginsburg has stated what Dr. Orly Taitz had made known a long time ago. In order to be considered a Natural Born Citizen, you must have been born of TWO US citizens in addition to the requirement of being born inside the United States or one of its official territories.

Justice Clarence Thomas has now admitted that the US Supreme Court has intentionally been "evading" the ineligibility issue of Presidents. This was broken in a story by World Net Daily which came out during Justice Thomas' testifying before a House subcommittee hearing. I have embedded the C-Span clip below. This serious issue is the laughing-stock of our Congress.

It is time to bring this issue to a logical conclusion. There have not been any REAL protests in America in many years. By this I mean, protests that do not end until a solution as been achieved. It is time to stand up and be heard. It is time to defend our Constitution before it becomes an official distant memory.

There is also another effort sponsored by Rev. James Manning and will be covered by American Grand Jury.

They are having a people's Grand Jury Trial May 14-19th against Columbia University and Obama regarding the alleged fraudulent degree perhaps issued by Columbia University while it is documented that he actually was working for a CIA front company and believed to have spent those years in Afghanistan. This trial is focused on this particular issue regarding possible fraud of Obama's reported history.

I am asking for help in setting up this effort in Sioux Falls and throughout the State of South Dakota. Please email me if you would like to help defend our Constitution by having the courage to stand up for what is right and peacefully defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

A rally where people go home in a few hours without any resolution or their voices really being heard has not accomplished anything except to be ridiculed and laughed at by the media, our Congress and this illegitimate Administration.

We need to have an ongoing peaceful protest until this matter is finally resolved. All members of Congress and the media are responsible for covering up this issue. It is up to us, We The People to finally make our stand.

Let us come together.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; courtmartial; eligibility; ginsburg; justicethomas; ltcterrencelakin; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: El Gato

“Actually, under the Manual for Courts Martial, he’s asking the judge.”

If it makes you feel better, he is asking the JUDGE to answer a question outside the judge’s jurisdiction.

“And that would have supported and defended the Constitution, just how?”

It would be honest. If Obama’s election makes orders to go to Afghanistan illegal, then it makes every order given since Jan 2009 illegal, including PCS orders, etc.

The military doesn’t have a role in deciding who the President is, outside of individual votes.


101 posted on 04/28/2010 4:37:15 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: El Gato
If they discharge him, it means an automatic appeal to the US Army Court of Criminal Appeals. I think they might just dock him a few months pay, and "encourage" him to retire when he hits 20, which is less than two years anyway.

I don't think they can take the chance. They need to make an example out of Lakin to keep others from following suit.

Good Order and Discipline, which includes morale, might not be well served by too harsh a sentence. The sentence is up to the Court, not the judge, although the convining authority can, IIRC, lesson the sentence if he/she wishes. (And he might, for that same reason).

Which is why I don't see prison time. They may sentence him to some and suspend it, but he won't see the inside of the disciplinary barracks. But one way or the other his military career is over.

102 posted on 04/28/2010 4:41:07 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Obama could release his long form tomorrow and Lakin would still be tried and still be convicted.

Not if it shows he was not born in the US.

The Manual for Courts Martial specificially indicates that the authority of the order giver is a factor in the lawfulness of the order.

103 posted on 04/28/2010 4:48:19 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
Not if it shows he was not born in the US.

Even if it shows that. He missed movement and he refused to obey the orders of his brigade commander. He can still be convicted of both.

The Manual for Courts Martial specificially indicates that the authority of the order giver is a factor in the lawfulness of the order.

And the order giver was his brigade commander.

104 posted on 04/28/2010 4:50:55 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: STARWISE

Yes. Natural Born.

Natural Born does not necessarily mean born in the US. My parents were in the military, I was born in West Germany. My legal status is Natural born.

I don’t know all of the specifics in this case, however, if they were living there and/or they were themselves legal citizens of the United States, there is a very good chance that this kid’s legal status is that of a “natural born” citizen.


105 posted on 04/28/2010 4:54:59 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (There is no truth to the rumor that Ted Kennedy was buried at sea.....)
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To: jamese777
The US Constitution requires two pieces of information that can be found on a birth document: place of birth and date of birth. If a document is official and the state verifies it, the candidate should be good to go.

Your opinion. The Constitution requires that in order to be eligible to the office of President, a person must be a natural born citizen. The long form contains information about the birthplace of the parents, 7c and 10c on the version you lined. If they were born in the US, they they were most likely citizens, if not, they might not have been at the time of birth and further documentation would be required to determine their citizenship at the time of birth. The long form also contains fields which can be filled in a variety of ways, some of which point to a *possible* fraudulent filing, such as 4a, all 5x fields, 6a and 6b (which could be blank) ,11a and 11b. Since there is *some* evidence pointing to an non-Hawaiian birth, those indicators would carry some weight towards requiring some additional verification.

BTW, the state has not verified any document. And they have made no statements at all in court, under oath. Just press releases.

106 posted on 04/28/2010 5:02:09 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: PA-RIVER
I beg you Please, call her the First Lady.
...
If she says his home country is not America, I think we can all agree to respect this public declaration she has made.

If she's correct, then she is not the First Lady, is she?

107 posted on 04/28/2010 5:06:02 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Non-Sequitur
And the order giver was his brigade commander.

The order to report to him, yes, and the other order Lakin is accussed of disobeying. But likely not the deployment order, or even it it came through the Brigage CO, it did not originate with him. Someone gave him the order, and someone else gave that person the order, and so one, until you get to Obama., where as another occupant of the office once said, "The Buck Stops" The question then is "did have the authority to issue such an order?". If he's not eligible, he's not the President, and has no authority at all.

108 posted on 04/28/2010 5:12:09 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Your opinion. The Constitution requires that in order to be eligible to the office of President, a person must be a natural born citizen. The long form contains information about the birthplace of the parents, 7c and 10c on the version you lined. If they were born in the US, they they were most likely citizens, if not, they might not have been at the time of birth and further documentation would be required to determine their citizenship at the time of birth. The long form also contains fields which can be filled in a variety of ways, some of which point to a *possible* fraudulent filing, such as 4a, all 5x fields, 6a and 6b (which could be blank) ,11a and 11b. Since there is *some* evidence pointing to an non-Hawaiian birth, those indicators would carry some weight towards requiring some additional verification.


One court has adjudicated this issue, the Indiana Court of Appeals in Ankeny v The Governor of Indiana. The Indiana Court of Appeals ruled, and I quote: “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens.”
The Indiana Supreme Court refused to hear this case on appeal and no other court has rendered a dissenting opinion.


109 posted on 04/28/2010 5:33:29 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: Berlin_Freeper
How could a Christian allow a man to be destroyed when he (Obama) could simply show his long form birth certificate?

Aside from a presidential pardon if the man is convicted, there isn't anything Obama can do to rescue him from the path he's chosen.

110 posted on 04/28/2010 5:48:23 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom

Aside from a presidential pardon if the man is convicted, there isn’t anything Obama can do to rescue him from the path he’s chosen.


I think that is exactly what will happen. Obama might very well use Lt. Colonel Lakin for his own political purposes by pardoning him after the Court Martial convicts him of refusing movement and disobeying orders from a Senior Commissioned Officer.


111 posted on 04/28/2010 5:54:36 PM PDT by jamese777
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To: Frantzie
A small number of the 90-day wonders posting here or latrine boys or merchant marine g** sailors posting here would follow the Kenyan off a cliff.

Others would follow Orly Taitz.

112 posted on 04/28/2010 6:02:40 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: MikefromOhio

Okay... military parent overseas for the govt
is a qualifier, which was excluded from your
description.


113 posted on 04/28/2010 6:04:58 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: El Gato
But likely not the deployment order, or even it it came through the Brigage CO, it did not originate with him.

That's irrelevant to the charges. It's the order of the brigade commander he's charged with disobeying and which he'll be tried for.

114 posted on 04/28/2010 6:05:14 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: El Gato
She didn't say anything about "spiritual" or "ancestral" she said it was his "home country" with no such modifiers.

Good catch! (well...in a way. People don't usually speak like lawyers...they don't worry about modifiers)

But, she is a lawyer...a Harvahhhhd lawyer. And she read a prepared speech that dropped a major clue of great value to those who drool at the prospect of challenging his "natural" citizenship (and challenging her as an accomplice).

So, she is either taunting us...or what?

After considering your comment, I think you are right...she is taunting us.

115 posted on 04/28/2010 6:41:25 PM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself... - D.H. Lawrence)
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To: STARWISE

obumpa


116 posted on 04/28/2010 8:02:39 PM PDT by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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To: mtntop3

I’m speaking of the odds of his winning are low and the odds of his losing are high. And this is not a do-or-die situation.

Bastogne’s heroes gave their blood to prevent a German breakthrough that would have opened up our rear area and supply lines. Thousands of our troops would have been killed and it would have taken some time to control that kind of damage. Germany would not have succeeded because they were at the end of their ability to fight, and we had air and combat power superiority. It was not futile, and they succeeded. It certainly didn’t look very good for a while, though.

For those who believe in getting Obama to reveal his records, this is a critical issue dealing with the legitimacy of his presidency. However, I don’t believe Lakin has much chance of getting discovery and claiming victory.

I don’t want to see him injured, so he needs to find a way to regroup and come at this a different way on a different day.


117 posted on 04/28/2010 8:16:44 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
People don't usually speak like lawyers...they don't worry about modifiers)

Engineers, scientist and mathematicians do too.

Little details can make the difference between a nice solid bridge and "Galloping Gerty". (Look it up. :) )

118 posted on 04/28/2010 9:05:31 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: jamese777
Indiana Court of Appeals ... Indiana Supreme Court refused to hear this case on appeal and no other court has rendered a dissenting opinion.

Or any other sort. That means the ruling is binding within the jurisdiction of the Indiana Court of Appeals, which is the state of Indiana.

I don't live there, nor do most other Americans.

Besides which, it's a federal question. It won't be binding on all federal courts unless the Supreme Court upholds it. By "It" I mean the definition of "natural born citizen", not the ruling per se.

119 posted on 04/28/2010 9:14:35 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: jamese777
I think that is exactly what will happen. Obama might very well use Lt. Colonel Lakin for his own political purposes by pardoning him after the Court Martial convicts him of refusing movement and disobeying orders from a Senior Commissioned Officer.

There are a lot of steps between a Court Martial and a Presidential Pardon. They are called appeals. The first one might even be automatic, depending on the sentence imposed. The Court has the option of pretty everything from essentially nothing, up to but not including death, unless the offense is committed "during wartime", then even death is an option.

The Missing movement charge only allows a maximum of:

Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 2 years.

They aren't going to give him anything terribly much for failing to report, under the circumstances. (essentially an administrative, as opposed to operational, order).

120 posted on 04/28/2010 9:31:01 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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