He's going to have some great stories."
He'll probably be interested in your stories as well. The invention
of the nail gun would probably fascinate him no end ;o)
Posted on 04/27/2010 8:28:30 AM PDT by evets
The remains of Noah's Ark have been discovered 13,000ft up a Turkish mountain, it has been claimed.
A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers say they have found wooden remains on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey.
They claim carbon dating proves the relics are 4,800 years old — around the same time the ark was said to be afloat.
Yeung Wing-Cheung, from the Noah's Ark Ministries International research team, said: "It's not 100 per cent that it is Noah's Ark, but we think it is 99.9 per cent that this is it."
He said the structure contained several compartments, some with wooden beams, that they believe were used to house animals.
The group of evangelical archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement on the grounds none have ever been found above 11,000ft in the vicinity, Yeung said.
Local Turkish officials will ask the central government in Ankara to apply for UNESCO World Heritage status so the site can be protected while a major archaeological dig is conducted.
The biblical story says that God decided to flood the Earth after seeing how corrupt it was.
He then told Noah to build an ark and fill it with two of every animal species.
After the flood waters receded, the Bible says, the ark came to rest on a mountain.
Many believe that Mount Ararat, the highest point in the region, is where the ark and her inhabitants ran aground.
The end of the last Ice Age over 10,000 years ago had Glaciers melting so fast that it would have made it’s own puddle under Al Gore’s fat behind. This occurred in both Asia, Europe and North America. It is no wonder there is a cultural history of the “Great Flood”.
Add into it the desertification of the Middle East and North Africa and you would be condensing large hunter gather populations into small riverine places (e.g., Tigres, Euphrates, Nile) resulting in people developing farming and domestication of wild animals. You know, that civilization thingy.
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There are geological and archeological tomes which delve into this part of our history. An avid National Geographics reader I would suggest that you search there data files as well.
So that water was pushed to the surface for 40 days and all the while the subterranean cavities where the water resides were empty. Again, 13,000 feet of water in addition to the current ocean depths would be a stretch. I believe that there was a historic event that became the great flood story that has been around since before the Bible but not one that covered the entire surface with 13,000 feet of water. The 13,000 ft. depth is almost as deep as the depth of the Titanic. But then, interpret it any way you like; all of those men who have written/compiled the Bible over the many centuries certainly have.
My guess is the Noah/Gilgamesh deluge stories relate to the flooding of the Persian Gulf. Imagine your world centering around a fresh water lake that becomes inundated by sea water. Your entire world did in fact become flooded. That was a known fact and repeated in oral and written tradition. These folks did not believe the world to be round, but rather a disc surrounded by water. They did not have satellite imagery to recognize how big the world was. The Bible, in Genesis, is merely reciting an ancient flood story from what is today Iraq. The same is true of the Eden story. There were no Jews as such when these stories originated, but were incorporated into the Jewish texts much later, with modifications made to there specifics. These are really old stories.
while it would be cool to find the Ark, or any other Biblical 'proof', its unnecessary and the list of hoaxes does more harm than good...
need evidence of a large flood...exhibit A...the grand canyon...
true, but they are all rich in carbon.
We are in like agreement on this one! Not sure yet if the claim is valid, yet, but time will tell I'm sure. However, I would make note this is the first time someone who has claimed to have 'found the ark' was able to produce pictures (that weren't grainy or difficult to look at) as well as a video that are pretty clear. So that's a first right there.
Definitely interesting as well as fascinating. I would also point out that should this prove to be the real deal, the monumental discovery still will not change people's hearts or minds. One only has to look at the attitude of mocking and ridicule that permeates this thread to see that nothing has changed in that regard exactly as Peter predicted in 2 Peter 3:3-8. But would definitely strengthen the faith of anyone who already does believe in the biblical narrative!
He'll probably be interested in your stories as well. The invention
of the nail gun would probably fascinate him no end ;o)
I could also put some credence in the flood being in the Black Sea area resulting from the opening of dammed up water from the Med through the Bosporus. Before man was around the Med dried up and millenia later the Gibralter straits opened up and the Med refilled over many years. In any case, the “world” to ancient peoples was usually not much more than 50 to 100 miles from where they lived. There was no communication or travel much beyond those distances. They were definitely old stories predating the Jews as a religious group. There are known, very ancient temple structures off the coast of India as well. It might be that numerous civilizations experienced isolated events of this type, in particular at the end of the last ice age.
Yes, exactly so, just as you’ve said... on all counts ... :-)
That’s right. Christians can’t be scientists.
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Try the decaf.
Have you ever heard of a team of agnostic explorers, atheist explorers, or how about non-evangelical explorers?
It is something of an odd construction to modify explorer with evangelical, doncha think?
It was at the time of the world-wide flood that rain first started.
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OK, I get that the grounds were watered by a mist in Genesis 2. Is there something else in the Bible that specifically states that it never rained until the great flood?
Could’ve been. You never heard of toledoth analysis, I take it? The Biblical account has textually identifiable headers and footers (toledoth). It was likely a composite from tablets more ancient than the immediate Jewish editor, be it Moses or any other. As the original teller of the story would, under the Hebrew primacy theory, be Noah and his children, one would need to show that Gilgamesh predated Noah to prove Gilgamesh primacy with any sense of certainty. Therefore, absent such proof, the question is open, unless other grounds can be found for conclusive determination.
OK, I get that the grounds were watered by a mist in Genesis 2. Is there something else in the Bible that specifically states that it never rained until the great flood?
It's from statements in the Bible, the "law of first mention" in the Bible, inference, deduction and the laws of physics regarding refraction of light in water droplets ... :-) they all combine to give you that understanding.
You have the first mention of how the ground of watered, then later you have the first mention of rain happening (if it rained prior to the flood, it would surely have watered the ground, thus making a dew on the ground insignificant and relatively meaningless in the earlier portion of the text). You have first mention of the rainbow after the flood (if it had rained before it would have been seen and in existance prior to that).
Changed conditions in the environment (the disappearance of the vapor canopy, the disappearance of the hyperbaric conditions for humans and plant life, rain falling for the first time) allowed for the first observance of the rainbow, after the flood and thus, God gave it as the sign of His covenant regarding man and any other flood in the future.
All this can be explained by rain not happening before, happening for the first time, as a significant and relating event to the Flood (at the "first mention" of it in the Bible), and then the rain drops refracting the light and producing the rainbow, with God using that, and its first occurence (and it would be a perpetual continuation of that event, being that rain would continue) to establish that covenant with mankind.
The corresponding evidence for a radical change in the environment which was detrimental to mankind's lifespan is seen directly after the flood in the lowered numbers of years for lifespans, and having them go downward in a parabolic curve (indicating a naturally declining occurence of something, until it stabilizes, at a "new equilibrium" after a few generations).
Yes, I think I did get it right. The Biblical account would be the more fact-oriented original which starts out correct at the beginning of the telephone game and Gilgamesh, coming much later, would have evidence of the fanciful embellishments and encroaching incoherencies of multiple repeaters of the story. And in fact, that is precisely the comparative character of the two stories, strongly suggesting Hebrew originality.
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