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Rethinking Education. Maybe less really is more !
American Thinker ^ | 04/26/2010 | Bruce Walker

Posted on 04/26/2010 6:58:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 04/26/2010 6:58:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
The other day I actually watched the TV show "Are you smarter than a fifth grader?"

The contestant was a seventh grade teacher. She couldn't do the fifth grade work. At the end of the show, she had to face the camera and say "My name is Sally Smith and I may teach seventh grade, but I am not smarter than a fifth grader."

Right there, people all across the country should have been getting out of their chairs shouting, "We've got a problem!"

2 posted on 04/26/2010 7:02:39 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: ClearCase_guy

The teacher unions need to be broken.


3 posted on 04/26/2010 7:03:52 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: SeekAndFind

A good portion of the money collected from taxes does not go directly to the students education. A huge chunk goes to administrative jobs. Like the secretary to the assistant vice principal. When I was a kid there wasn’t even an assistant vice principal let alone one with a secretary.

And teachers unions don’t really care about you childs education either. The head of the teachers union in N.J. is paid a half million dollars a year. He doesn’t even teach.

N.J. residents pay more for education than any other State except N.Y. and the test scores are only a fraction above the State that pays the least.

Education has become an insatiable greedy monster.


4 posted on 04/26/2010 7:09:04 AM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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To: ClearCase_guy
You're right, we do have a problem.

We need to pay our teachers more so they'll have incentive to work harder as teachers and so they won't HAVE to embarass themselves on tv for money. /sarc

5 posted on 04/26/2010 7:11:09 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Why not provide through the public and the private sector a rich stew of learning systems and allow everyone a government voucher to learn through one of these systems? Is there much doubt that people who choose the most interesting way for themselves to learn will learn more easily and more joyfully? These people might well acquire that priceless gift of a lifelong lust for learning.”

Yet another author who can point to problems with education by govenment , but then reverts to more “hair of the dog” to solve them - vouchers and “accountability” (and “accountability” to whom one might ask?)

The private sector already provides the “rich stew” he is looking for. All that is needed is the complete defunding and dismantlement of the state sector.


6 posted on 04/26/2010 7:11:43 AM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Frenchtown Dan

When you say huge chunk of the money that goes into the education system does not go directly to the students’ education what is the percentage? 66%, 75%, 90%?

Any one have an answer?


7 posted on 04/26/2010 7:12:41 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: SeekAndFind
Less could very well be more. For more than a generation now, the "only" answer to better education (according to the teachers' unions) is MORE MONEY.

So -- how well has that worked?

Why not try a school system with non-union teachers who are really passionate about teaching? Oh wait -- those are charter schools.

8 posted on 04/26/2010 7:13:05 AM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: nolongerademocrat

Spot on in California a teacher can earn 35.00 to$45.00 an hour for teaching K1 to 12 grades not bad work if you can get it.


9 posted on 04/26/2010 7:17:29 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: visually_augmented

GCC Ping!


10 posted on 04/26/2010 7:22:43 AM PDT by Calm_Cool_and_Elected
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To: Jack Hydrazine

That’s a really good question. One that the unions wouldn’t want to be made common knowledge, I’ll bet.

In N.J. it’s even more convoluted because of what’s called Abbott Districts. 31 school districts get tax money from the rest of the state.

Years ago it would have been simple to figure.
1. teachers salary
2. materials, supplies, books.
3. building cost and maintenance
4. Administrative costs.

Now, you would have to add unused showers in the gym, swimming pools, ski trips, etc. teachers lounges, teachers weekends in resorts,
new sod for the football field, etc.etc.
Next will be money for the girls wrestling team.


11 posted on 04/26/2010 7:27:36 AM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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To: nolongerademocrat

The teacher unions need to be broken.


In my NE Blue State - education budgets have risen by 7-8% per year for many years, while enrolled students have declined steadily by 1-2% per year. Where does that money go?

My own child’s school has administrators for everything. Paid lunch monitors, 1 person to simply take attendance, multiple library staff. They have become an army, all automatically enrolled in the union they day they start.


12 posted on 04/26/2010 7:28:22 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded, my brains fell out.)
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To: SeekAndFind
What we need is an accountable, diverse, market-driven system available to children and to adults of all ages so that we are motivated to learn and to keep learning all our lives. What is the best hope for Social Security entitlement stability? Create a system in which those near retirement can learn to do a job that they love, which allows them to contribute rather than consume, and which keeps them active and healthy.

This sounds like nothing but a lot of market-driven lipstick-on-a-pig double-talk.

How about we try creating a system where those of us near retirement age can actually RETIRE without some market driven libertarian pinhead trying to turn us into "contributors" instead of "consumers".

Darn "market-driven" pseudo-conservatives are no different than the marxist 'rats.

13 posted on 04/26/2010 7:30:36 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hand a child one of these with K-12 software preloaded. You'll pay much less than $1,000, and the Great NEA Scam is all over. High-overhead, Prussian-style classroom instruction using existing, state prison-style infrastructure is as dead as buggy-whip manufacturing, it's just still kicking hard enough to hit contribution-hungry politicians in the butt now and again. :)

14 posted on 04/26/2010 7:30:54 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: Vaduz

It is terrible, in my state a 74 yr old man has been running the teachers union since I was a child (a long time ago), he’s also a prominant democrat. I heard on the radio this morning that he has such a stranglehold on the state that he actually sits in on legislature sessions and gives thumbs up or thumbs down on laws that impact all of the citizens of our state. It is disgusting.


15 posted on 04/26/2010 7:31:38 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: PGR88

Right. Many years ago, unions were a good thing. Now they are so corrupt that they are tearing this country apart.


16 posted on 04/26/2010 7:33:16 AM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: nolongerademocrat

Disgusting indeed.


17 posted on 04/26/2010 7:44:30 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: SeekAndFind

The primary function of “public education”
now is the rejection of the Christian value system.

I have a relative that has attempted to talk us out of homeschooling with the argument of
“they won’t be exposed to the diversity of ideas that they would be in public school”

to which I reply
“that’s the whole point of homeschooling”


18 posted on 04/26/2010 7:48:59 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: achilles2000
What government ought to provide is an automat of options for all Americans to learn throughout their lives.

Government? Government? What is this man suggesting? That we expand the government school socialist entitlement to **all** people.

Wow! Talk about making a serious government created problem even worse!

We already have a system of vouchers on the college level. ( Pell Grants, and student loans) So?...What happens every time Pell Grants and student loans are increased? Yep! The colleges and universities raise their tuitions!

We will see the same phenomenon if we have universal government vouchers for private K-12 education, or, as this author suggests, lifetime adult education.

And you are right about the testing. Who will be in charge of making people accountable? My bet is it will be the Marxists who will stand at the gates that control the lives and careers of the people.

19 posted on 04/26/2010 7:59:26 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I remember a report was released in the LA Times back in the 90’s about an audit of the Los Angeles School district that showed 90% of every dollar spent went to non classroom expenses.

I doubt it has gotten any better today.


20 posted on 04/26/2010 8:18:43 AM PDT by tradergem (Frustrated and Pissed Off Beyond All Reason With Liberals!)
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