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Jobsian drones shackle gamer with 'lifetime' iPad ban (Apple stores)
The Register ^ | 2010-04-25 | Rik Myslewski

Posted on 04/25/2010 7:56:28 PM PDT by dayglored

A US gamer has been banned from ever buying another iPad. Why? He reached his "lifetime limit." Who knew that such a limit existed? ...

After two Apple Employees - identified in the tale as Guy #1 and Guy #2 - check his identity via credit card, Guy #2 informs him: "There is a limit to the number of iPads that customers can buy." Our protagonist ask what that limit might be, and Guy #2 answers: "Only 2 per customer."

At that point, Guy #1 returns, and the conversation takes on a Kafkaesque quality:

* Guy #1: I'm sorry sir, but you have reached your lifetime limit of iPad purchases and will not be allowed to buy any more.
* Me: Is the iPad limit per person? Per credit card? Per household?
* Guy #1: All I can say is that you have reached your lifetime limit.
* Me: What does that mean? Can I use a different credit card to buy it? I'm buying this for a friend.
* Guy #1: You are not allowed to buy this iPad.
* Me: Wait, what? Lifetime? What does that mean?
* Guy #1: All I can say is that you have reached your lifetime limit of iPads and will not be allowed to buy any more.
...

An Apple Store employee, noted: "The employee got it wrong. The *daily* limit is two iPads per day. The 'lifetime limit' is ten."

(Excerpt) Read more at theregister.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Technical
KEYWORDS: apple; ilovebillgates; ipad; iwanthim; iwanthimbad; microsoftfanboys
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To: dayglored

Thanks for the insight! I like Apple because it not Microsoft, and the Mini Mac I use works good for what I want it to do!


41 posted on 04/25/2010 8:27:44 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: The_Reader_David
You were saying ...

Sheer unadulterated nonsense.

I'll defer to the knowledgeable Adobe Flash Developer who has experience in what he's talking about ... LOL ...

Besides that, who wants a CPU hog on the iPhone or any other device. They haven't figured that one out yet -- for any mobile device ... if they ever do.

By the time they get anywhere near doing something about it -- everyone will be using the open standards that will bypass Flash... (which is a proprietary standard, anyway) ... :-)

42 posted on 04/25/2010 8:28:11 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

OK you caught me, I’m one of those people.:-)


43 posted on 04/25/2010 8:28:46 PM PDT by Jarine5
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To: The_Reader_David
> Sheer unadulterated nonsense. All one needs to do is have the Flash run on most of the screen and have a virtual trackpad and click bar on the rest of the screen, which control a mouse-pointer the same way the physical trackpad and click bar do on a laptop.

I could be wrong on this, but I'll bet you'll never see a "virtual trackpad" on an iPad or similar Apple product. It's against the entire UI paradigm, to have the finger on the touchscreen NOT be the point of action focus.

They might do it with a drag vs. tap thing, though.

44 posted on 04/25/2010 8:28:54 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: muawiyah

That is an EXCELLENT insight! Thanks!


45 posted on 04/25/2010 8:30:32 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
You were saying ...

But what about videos and other embedded non-interactive content? Isn't that the larger application of Flash these days?

I'll go with what Jobs has been pushing in that area... open standards and moving away from the proprietary standard of Flash, on the web.

It makes sense to me and I would prefer to see the web get away from Flash and use those open standards being proposed.

Of course, those who have a personal interest or some other kind of vested interest in Flash will protest, doncha know ... :-)

47 posted on 04/25/2010 8:31:45 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: J Edgar
You were saying ...

Interesting marketing scheme indeed! Has this ever been tried before? Does it work? Just asking.

Yeah, the exact same thing with the iPhone... Apple's been down this road already, before. And we're nearing Year 3 of the iPhone now.

48 posted on 04/25/2010 8:35:00 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

I’d rather see open standards rather than proprietary ones on the interweb, for sure. But in the meantime Flash is critical for video.


49 posted on 04/25/2010 8:39:01 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
You were saying ...

I’d rather see open standards rather than proprietary ones on the interweb, for sure. But in the meantime Flash is critical for video.

I don't see why it's critical for video. I mean, the iPhone has been using YouTube since it first came out, because YouTube made it work ... :-) (makes sense...).

And I don't know what's wrong with H.264/MPEG-4 AVC ... as it seems to work very well ...

And you're going to see all the other places "making it work" too... in the same way. When you've got the iPhone, the iPod Touch and the iPad ... they're gonna change ... :-)

I posted elsewhere ...


I had to laugh at this paragraph in an article on the buggy trashware flashware ... :-)

On the other hand, Jean-Louis Gassée (a former Apple executive) proposes a simple thought-experiment: "By the end of 2010, there will be more than 100 million iPhone OS devices (iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad). You're the webmeister at an important content site. The boss comes in and asks you why you're not supporting the iPhone OS devices. 'Our stuff is all Flash-based, chief, those guys don't run Flash'. You're about to become the ex-webmeister. The boss, a really patient sort, asks you to 'think different' about all these 'noncompliant' customers, each of whom has an iTunes account backed by a credit card, and has developed the habit (encouraged by Apple) of paying for content. So, one more time, with feeling: what's your answer?"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/apr/18/adobe-flash-apple-iphone-ipad ...]

50 posted on 04/25/2010 8:47:34 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

I’m a Flash developer, and Flash works fine with touch.


51 posted on 04/25/2010 8:54:21 PM PDT by Anti-Utopian ("Come, let's away to prison; We two alone will sing like birds I' th' cage." -King Lear [V,iii,6-8])
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To: Anti-Utopian
You were saying ...

I’m a Flash developer, and Flash works fine with touch.

Then, I guess the next step is to find out which Flash Developer is lying ... LOL ...

52 posted on 04/25/2010 8:55:25 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
>> But in the meantime Flash is critical for video.

> I don't see why it's critical for video.

Don't forget, you're posting to someone who's used just about every computer OS out there...

Just because Linux exists doesn't mean you don't need Windows on your business desktop somewhere. I use Linux to run Windows VMs.

Just because OpenOffice exists doesn't mean you don't need MS-Office to communicate seamlessly with customers who use it. I have both on my machines.

Just because something other than Flash exists doesn't mean you can do without Flash in TODAY's interweb. I'd like to have the option of having Flash on my iPod.

53 posted on 04/25/2010 8:59:52 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Star Traveler

The problem isn’t that Flash won’t work with touch, it’s that the number of “touchers” is dramatically lower than the number of “mousers,” and they are vastly different methods of manipulating icons.

Hardly anybody wants to develop Flash for touch or pen applications, because it is such a puny market.


54 posted on 04/25/2010 9:03:22 PM PDT by Anti-Utopian ("Come, let's away to prison; We two alone will sing like birds I' th' cage." -King Lear [V,iii,6-8])
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To: dayglored
You were saying ...

Just because something other than Flash exists doesn't mean you can do without Flash in TODAY's interweb. I'd like to have the option of having Flash on my iPod.

Well, to clear it up for people who may not know about this -- it's already been made clear that it's not going to happen on the iPhone, iPod Touch and/or the iPad.

So, right off the bat, if anyone thinks it's absolutely essential for them to use it, they better know that they're never going to get it on those devices. That's a "done deal".

Now, what I'm saying is that any website of any consequence is going to change to accommodate those devices so that it's not necessary to have Flash -- and they are already doing it now.

So, in my way of "thinking" -- it's a total waste of people's time to be asking "Why can't I have Flash on my iPhone?" since it's never gonna happen ... :-)

But, I still discuss the issue with many who say that anyway ... LOL ...

55 posted on 04/25/2010 9:12:22 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Anti-Utopian
You were saying ...

Hardly anybody wants to develop Flash for touch or pen applications, because it is such a puny market.

Well, one thing is for sure, with 100 million devices out there, that aren't going to use Flash -- but with the owners of those 100 million devices (the iPhone, the iPod Touch and the iPad) being higher-paying customers for services and goods (and they are) -- you're gonna find webmeisters and owners of companies (selling goods and/or services) accommodating those 100 million users real quick, on their websites ... :-)

56 posted on 04/25/2010 9:15:24 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
Oh, I know I'm not going to have Flash on my i-devices. It's an inconvenience but (for me) not a showstopper.

I look forward to the development of touch-based technologies that make mice and pointers obsolete.

OTOH, my index fingertip is broad enough that I can't seen what's directly under it. I end up using my pinkie for fine resolution motion, which looks gay as hell. *sigh*

57 posted on 04/25/2010 9:18:26 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
You were saying ...

I look forward to the development of touch-based technologies that make mice and pointers obsolete.

I agree and I'm looking forward to it, too.

Let me mention here, that when new technologies come into play and when they are "game-changing" (as it's referred to), you'll find the "paradigm of usage" changes so that people "think differently about usage" from then on.

It does take a while to catch on, because many are still thinking in an older paradigm and they can't "make the shift" very easily. These kinds of technologies are fully accepted when the older generation completely dies off and there are only new people around who have never seen the older technology. The same thing will happen here with the touch technology.

Another "game changer" and new "paradigm" that I'm looking forward to, but I sorta don't expect to really see it happen (I'm too old and will probably die first ... LOL ...).

I want to see the paradigm of a computer/voice interaction with the operator, and a fuzzy logic being used (the same kind of fuzzy logic that is used in language) and have the computer work out the details of what is needed with the operator "supervising" and overseeing what the computer is doing and modifying it as necessary as the computer works along.

You know... like all the science fiction movies and the Star Trek series ... that's the new paradigm that I want to see... :-)

58 posted on 04/25/2010 9:25:15 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
I assume most front-end business who believe a there is a market share from Apple-users have already developed "storefront" apps or "iVersion" of their sites for iWhatevers. But as far as content providers, advertisers, free game portals, and so on, no, the web will continue to be 1) Flash-Based and 2) Mouse-Based for quite some time.

And if you still think buggy code is why Flash was exiled, ask yourself why mouseover is not supported, or why Java is allowed on there.

59 posted on 04/25/2010 9:33:12 PM PDT by Anti-Utopian ("Come, let's away to prison; We two alone will sing like birds I' th' cage." -King Lear [V,iii,6-8])
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To: Star Traveler
So here's a question for ya, ST. It'll be at least a couple of months before I have the need, and the scratch, to get an iPad. Maybe towards the end of 2010.

So what do you think the second generation will have? Multi-tasking, yeah, but in terms of the UI, what? See any game-changers on the horizon that make it worth waiting?

60 posted on 04/25/2010 9:35:16 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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