Posted on 04/13/2010 8:19:14 AM PDT by Man50D
Did he not submit a false application to your State???
Yay!!!!!!
Yes, he certainly does.
The time and place for such challenges is prescribed by law.
That time was January 6, 2009. One Senator and one representative were all that was required for a floor challenge. No such challenges were raised.
“Hes going to have to defend that to a military jury. He wont be able to.”
Unless Lakin simply points out that the particular order he refuses to obey is not what Roberts won the CMH for.
Thanks for the link, Candor7.
Donations for LTC Lakin:
(From the web site)
American Patriot Foundations’ defense fund will pay for a lawyer and for Terry’s legal defense. We must raise $50,000 in the next ten days in order to assemble a top-flight legal defense team for LTC Lakin.
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/support-the-foundation.html
You are incorrect. Section three of the Twentieth amendment applies to someone who is a "President elect". This does not legally exist until AFTER Congress has certified the electoral college results on January 15th.
I sent that to Mr 2x in a link. He’s not interested in truth but his own babble.
They didn't prove his eligibility. They took BO's word for it.
BIG difference.
I asked a question of him first which he did not answer. When he answers mine I’ll gladly answer his.
The idea that Obama feels any loyalty at all to Great Britain per the British Nationality Act 1948 is laughable. Per the Kenyan Constitution, he had until the age of 18 to petition to be made a Kenyan (or so I’ve read)...he did not.
Hell, he lets his half brother rot in a slum in Kenya!
Meanwhile, your “Founder and Historian” has been rejected by the courts as an authority.
Sorry. EVERYONE who has responsibility, and EVERY court that has been handed a case, has rejected your arguments. EVERY member of Congress has rejected them, including McCain. The GOP has rejected them.
Y’all are wrong. And Lakin will have his rear handed to him for being stupid enough to take your arguments at face value and not think about them.
“They didn’t prove his eligibility. They took BO’s word for it.”
Every single one of them KNEW Obama’s father wasn’t an American. Yet every single one of them, charged by state laws with ensuring the candidates met constitutional requirements prior to placing their names on the ballot, put Obama’s name on the ballot.
And you have no evidence that Obama was born outside the USA.
“But I still prefer the 200 year old traditional historical documented definition for “natural born citizen” that Conservatives and U.S. Supreme Court Justices have to the amorphous definition that you Obamabot Progressives don’t have.”
Except that definition only exists in your mind. No one else shares it. And no, it is NOT the definition used by US Supreme Court justices. Did you not notice Chief Justice Roberts swearing Obama in?
No state agrees with you. No member of Congress. No court found to date. NO ONE.
Factcheck and the Rocky Mountain News provided evidence that Obama's citizenship at birth was under the governance of other nations, not the United States. We don't know if the plaintiffs also cited the British Nationality Act and the Kenyan Constitution which were the original sources. The Indiana court seems bent on discrediting the plaintiffs rather than giving a fair evaluation of their argument. Notice how the court awkwardly tries to diminish the importance of Vattel, completing ignoring that Minor and Wong both used his definition of natural born citizen, which they go on to cite but distort into something completely different than what it says.
"For the reasons stated below, we hold that the Plaintiffs‟ arguments fail to state a claim upon which relief can be granted, and that therefore the trial court did not err in dismissing the Plaintiffs‟ complaint."
This is the court's real argument. Everything else about natural born citizen is window dressing and misdirection.
"Id. at 167-168. Thus, the Court left open the issue of whether a person who is born within the United States of alien parents is considered a natural born citizen.12 "
Well, no they didn't leave it open. If you continue reading a couple of paragraphs further in the Minor decision where Ankeny left off, they give statutory precedent as to what happens with the children of aliens.
"From this it is apparent that from the commencement of the legislation upon this subject alien women and alien minors could be made citizens by naturalization, and we think it will not be contended that this would have been done if it had not been supposed that native women and native minors were already citizens by birth."
Here Minor acknowledges a clear difference that native minors are citizens at birth, but that alien minors at birth are under the dependence of whether or not their fathers have naturalized. IOW, there has never been an assumption in the United States the all persons born in the United States are citizens at birth - and hence not natural born citizens. And, it clearly shows that the United States didn't follow English common law of what was considered natural born. The rest of Wong's dicta on natural born subjects is to create a legal basis for allowing the children of foreigners to be citizens at birth, but only if there is permanent allegiance.
"Then, in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 18 S. Ct. 456 (1898), the United States Supreme Court confronted the question of whether a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who at the time of his birth are subject to the emperor of China . . . becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the fourteenth amendment . . . . 169 U.S. at 653, 18 S. Ct. at 458."
This part is unforgivable as Ankeny purposely leaves out the part of the citation (where the ellipses are at) that destroys their claim. The parents were considered in WKA to be permanent U.S. residents. This was a factor in their decision and Ankeny punted it. Ankeny decision is further undermined by its own admission that Wong Kim Ark did not declare its plaintiff to be natural born citizen. There's no logical basis for the claim that guidance from Wong helps determine a conclusion that it doesn't actually reach on its own. Ankeny also avoids saying that Obama is definitively a natural born citizen ... which is smart, because they can't. They don't really know any more than you or I where Obama was born.
This is evidence:
It is evidence and you can't do a damn thing about it.
Excellent illustration.
Reading this article, it's easy to see the resemblance between BO and a piece of counterfeit currency.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/banking/2003-05-12-newmoney_x.htm
"The Secret Service, the agency responsible for stopping counterfeiters, is fighting the war against counterfeiting today on several fronts."
They're guarding a counterfeit President, for one.
"The government report issued last month said officials were concerned counterfeiting could grow as computer use gains popularity abroad. And, they note, counterfeiters can easily e-mail prototypes for fake bills in a number of seconds."
Just like a *.jpg of a birth certificate posted on the Internet!
"Officials also worry terrorists could use counterfeit money to undermine currency confidence or to fund acts of terrorism. "
Just. Wow.
Oh yes...a speech given by a Kenyan politician. THAT is evidence!
But a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii, attested to by the senior official in the department?
Forgery. Not worth squat!
BTW - did you believe the politician who is worried about Guam turning upside down? Since we KNOW politicians stick to the facts...
Facts, Rogers, facts. No senior official has attested to the validity of Obama’s alleged COLB. Tell the whole truth.
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