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1 posted on 03/28/2010 5:38:29 AM PDT by raptor22
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Is It Driver Error?

No, it's deliberate slander by the socialist state controlled media.

2 posted on 03/28/2010 5:45:24 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Deathcare, a solution desperately looking for a problem.)
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That's the first logical dissection of this issue I have seen. He makes a lot of sense.

Most cars today have some form of throttle control that the computer actually controls. I have not seen any discussion about that. It could simply be that the car's computer takes over during some malfunction and causes the car's "throttle" to go to full open.

3 posted on 03/28/2010 5:48:20 AM PDT by raybbr (I hate B(ig) H(ead) Obama)
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We really have to quit with this mild speculation BS. Being overly consumed with turning every stone is insane when the plain and simple truth is that the Marxist administration wants Toyota trashed because it’s non union. End of story.


4 posted on 03/28/2010 5:49:08 AM PDT by albie
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The article mentions a few important things : A tragedy (That I hadn’t heard) of a State Police officer, off duty, with his family in a loaner Lexus. Car jumped to over 100 mph. All occupants died. That’s a professionally trained driver !

Steve Wozniak of Apple had an unintended accel problem, taking him to 97 mph without being to slow it. He finally got it slowed, perhaps understanding the software and how to cancel commands. (I’m being serious.. I would immediately think to to override software instead of just screaming)

Then studies that show the “long press” of the start button taking 3.3 seconds to work in a Camry. That same V6 Camry went from 60 mph to 80 mph during that time. 3 seconds is an eternity.

These cars and their toys are getting out of hand. I blame a lot of things - not just Toyota specifically.


5 posted on 03/28/2010 5:50:24 AM PDT by Celerity
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Now’s the time to get a Toyota for 0% interest for five years, no money down. I just did.


7 posted on 03/28/2010 5:55:38 AM PDT by Salvey
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Why won’t Toyota release the black box info and the code to read it. That would settle the arguement.


8 posted on 03/28/2010 5:55:50 AM PDT by chainsaw ( 'You know that your landing gear is up and locked when it takes full power to taxi to the terminal)
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The real problem, besides the media trying to destroy non union car-makers to benefit Obama and goons, can be laid directly at the feet of environmental wackos and government regulations.

Forcing people into smaller and smaller vehicles by mandate and brow beating them has resulted in people driving vehicles that are physically incompatible.

I've had difficulty with my size 13 feet also hitting the gas pedal at the same time as the brake on even large SUVs’.

Perhaps for once we should examine the facts and the truth before we drag CEOs’ in front of the most corrupt, lying and disgusting group of morons ever assembled in one location.

10 posted on 03/28/2010 6:02:05 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 393)
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Is It Driver Error? even CNN did a report that most of the run away cars happened near high voltage grid systems most cars have shielded computers might be the problem.


11 posted on 03/28/2010 6:04:30 AM PDT by Vaduz
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People have been stepping on gas instead of brakes for decades . Suddenly its the factories fault!


12 posted on 03/28/2010 6:06:06 AM PDT by omega4179 (Pelosi: We Must Pass Obamacare So Artists Can Quit Their Day Jobs)
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I cannot claim to be any type of expert in this area, but I have been responding to car accidents for over 20 years as a professional firefighter. I am no big fan of Toyotas, the only foreign car I have owned in my life was a little Mazda GLC. But I would tend to question whether Toyotas have any worse safety record than any other brand of automobile. This reminds me of many other primrily lawyer based auto safety scares... tipsy Suzuki Samaris, Chevy trucks that explode, Firestone tires causing roll-overs... in the end they all turned out to be mostly hype.

I wouldn’t necessarily blame driver error, although in my experience many persons blame their car after they screw up. Many of us have had a throttle stick on us during our driving experiences. I know I have. Most persons who have had it happen managed to deal with it without getting in an accident. In the 67 Ford of my youth, all I had to do was turn the key off. In most newer cars the safest option is to shift the car into neutral which is what my wife had to do in her old Plymouth.

The tragic accident with the Law Enforcement Officer most likely could have been avoided if he would have shifted the car into neutral. And by the way... if you accidently shifted it into park the pin won’t catch until the vehicle is almost stopped which most the time won’t actually cause an expensive repair. When I took drivers education, part of the course dealt with mechanical malfunctions and emergencies.


13 posted on 03/28/2010 6:06:38 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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We can argue about why the cars accelerate, but we then have to argue about why they never put on the brakes.


14 posted on 03/28/2010 6:08:22 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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As usual the problem is the nut behind the wheel



18 posted on 03/28/2010 6:16:29 AM PDT by grjr21
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“Is It Driver Error?”
]Double Hell no!. I have been driving a Prius since they were introduced. Never had a problem. Not one.!

The new 2010’s have a unique cruise control however, Unlike american cruise controls, holding up or down on the cruise lever for more than 3 seconds the unit will advance 5 mph and continue to increase 5mph as long as you hold it up or down.

Most american cars just execrate until you let go. I have mentioned this to the dealer and they were unaware of this change. It is in the manual however; but who ever reads the fine print. Toyota should make this new change in really bold print.

That said, they are the greatest cars since the NSX.


19 posted on 03/28/2010 6:16:49 AM PDT by primatreat ( "O" time out. Go lock yourself in a "porta-potty" along with Nancy....)
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I read somewhere, that uncontrolled acceleration occurs in all models from all manufacturers. For some reason, this happens in Toyotas more often that in GM cars for example. Do they have a different universe of drivers?

I got a recall notice from Toyota saying the floor mats caused the acceleration problem. My thought, "huh?" The floor mats are held in place by two hooks attached to the floor carpet and go through the rivets in the floor mat. I even used a thick rubber mat on top of this, because of all the snow we get. One season ruins carpeted floor mats. Never had a problem, couldn't see how their could be a problem here. Ignored the recall.

34 posted on 03/28/2010 7:22:15 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Are they insane, stupid or just evil?)
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Sure its driver error ... and MEDIA ERROR. The "interesting" thing about this administration is how "obvious" it is in its "back room dealings." This is perfectly obvious what is happening here. And Mr. Toyoda should NOT have come here to testify, "his" ratings went down afterward ... that should be a signal to any other foreign manufacturer.

It is right up there with Global Warming ... same crowd, same mirrors ...uh ... only they aren't using the mirrors any more so you don't have to "figure it out" ... its just right there to see.

45 posted on 03/28/2010 8:51:36 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (http://www.thepatriotsflag.com - The Patriot's Flag)
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Yes, its driver error.. /SARCASM

The cop riding beside the driver witnessed brake lights on and the man STANDING on the seat but the car continuing to accellerate.. get serious.

They have a design flaw, either from the drawing board, or from the manufacturing in China of the parts. Take your pick, but driver error? Unreal.


52 posted on 03/29/2010 7:38:16 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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