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LIVE HEALTH CARE THREAD ~ SATURDAY & SUNDAY
20 March 2010

Posted on 03/20/2010 7:07:53 AM PDT by SE Mom

Edited on 03/21/2010 5:00:38 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

10 AM Rules Committee meeting (C-span2 LIVE all day)

11 AM Stupak press conference

12 PM Demonstration at the Capitol

3 PM Obama meets with the Democratic caucus

Sunday
2 p.m.: The House will debate for one hour the rules of debate for the reconciliation bill and the Senate bill.

3 p.m.: The House will vote to end debate and vote on the rules of the debate.

3:15 p.m.: The House will debate the reconciliation package for two hours.

5:15 p.m.: The House will vote on the reconciliation package.

5:30 p.m.: The House will debate for 15 minutes on a Republican substitute and then vote on the substitute.

6 p.m.: The House will vote on the final reconciliation package.

6:15 p.m.: If the reconciliation bill passes, the House will immediately vote on the Senate bill, without debate.


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To: TruthCanHurt

I hope he loses his seat in November.


3,221 posted on 03/21/2010 1:15:55 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Amityschild
"IF STUPAK IS IN BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC FUNDING OF ABORTION, DOESN’T THAT MEAN THAT 50 OR SO PRO ABORTS WALK????"

No. Nothing has changed with this Executive Order, and the Hyde Amendment isn't worth much with respect to HR 3590. This is why...

HR 3590 will give to individual citizens subsidies to "help" them pay for private insurance. Under the EO and HR 3590, those "private" insurance policies can cover elective abortion. The Hyde Amendment isn't applicable here because Hyde never dreamed there would come a day when the federal government was paying for private insurance for the "poor".

The language of the Executive Order (that has been released), explicitly states that the EO is not to be viewed as a prohibition on these publicly subsidized, but privately managed health insurance policies.

What's even more disturbing, there WILL be Federal subsidies to some of these state-run plans that do cover abortions. Again, the EO contains language that explicitly allows these federal subsidies to continue.

There is no doubt, federal money will be used to pay for elective abortions. It's that simple.

3,222 posted on 03/21/2010 1:15:58 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: redshawk

Hers is where I Stand.

No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope that it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen, if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve.

This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty towards the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation?

For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth — to know the worst and to provide for it. I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House?

Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with these warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation — the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motives for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies?

No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us; they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer on the subject? Nothing.

We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves longer.

Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament.

Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne. In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope.

If we wish to be free — if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending — if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained, we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of Hosts is all that is left us!

They tell us, sir, that we are weak — unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance, by lying supinely on our backs, and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot?

Sir, we are not weak, if we make a proper use of the means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us.

The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable — and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come!

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, “Peace! Peace!” — but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!

Patrick Henry - March 23, 1775


3,223 posted on 03/21/2010 1:16:00 PM PDT by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: Syncro

Spitting is nothing compared to what is coming.


3,224 posted on 03/21/2010 1:16:09 PM PDT by Tuxedo (Sheesh....)
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To: Dinah Lord

The protesters will not like this and keep up the fight against tyranny.


3,225 posted on 03/21/2010 1:16:10 PM PDT by yield 2 the right
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To: SE Mom
“We have an agreement ... to protect the sanctity of life ... “

This about a man that wanted to let and infant, surviving an abortion, be put aside to die. Stupak is blind. What's he going to do when this 'agreement' is dissolved?

3,226 posted on 03/21/2010 1:16:14 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (II Chronicles 7:14)
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To: redshawk

Ex governor of VA saying that an EO can be resinded by an act of legislation.


3,227 posted on 03/21/2010 1:16:20 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: onyx

I have to think they’ve got some fight left in them — what else can we do? Any other strategies left?


3,228 posted on 03/21/2010 1:16:27 PM PDT by gopwhit
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To: Canadian Outrage

Back to CSPAN where Weezy is bloviating, lying and reserving the balance of her time.

Dreier up.

As the debate has proceeded on how partisan and divided this house is...

Now, even Dreier is reporting the lie about racial epithets and spitting incident?


3,229 posted on 03/21/2010 1:16:36 PM PDT by Dinah Lord
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To: SE Mom
ENDIVA called it here....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2382935/posts?page=53#53

3,230 posted on 03/21/2010 1:16:38 PM PDT by taildragger (Palin/Mulally 2012)
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To: Outlaw Woman

FLASH: ‘FIX’ BILL MAY NOT ADVANCE IN SENATE...
http://www.drudgereport.com/


3,231 posted on 03/21/2010 1:16:58 PM PDT by fiodora
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To: Dinah Lord

Dreier up again.

Thank God for our Republicans.

It’s now our duty and obligation to add more worthy members to their ranks.


3,232 posted on 03/21/2010 1:17:00 PM PDT by onyx (God save our Republic!)
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To: Dinah Lord

Exactly. Which is why the 40 are no longer holding out


3,233 posted on 03/21/2010 1:17:06 PM PDT by Varsity Flight
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To: Yaelle; All

WAR was just declared on America.....


3,234 posted on 03/21/2010 1:17:08 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Tagline, oh, tagline, whereart thou tagline....)
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To: goodnesswins

from within


3,235 posted on 03/21/2010 1:17:37 PM PDT by Tuxedo (Sheesh....)
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To: onyx
"Issa and Dreier are onto something. This whole charade can still go down in flames."

How so? If the reconciliation thingy can't go through, it doesn't stop them from passing the current Senate version. I've assumed the reconciliation thing is largely a fig leaf anyway. Is there something else brewing?

3,236 posted on 03/21/2010 1:17:50 PM PDT by Think free or die
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To: StarFan

My heart is heavy also.

I am almost out of words.

I cry for our Republic.


3,237 posted on 03/21/2010 1:18:00 PM PDT by onyx (God save our Republic!)
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To: gopwhit
The senate can muck it up, maybe send it back to the House, longer delayed the better.
3,238 posted on 03/21/2010 1:18:05 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: goodnesswins

The welfare-weasels will crawl up a thousand Mayan temple steps to get they “free cup-O-rice” and be surprised when their beating hearts are cut out before their bulging eyes while their family awaits their turn at the alter.....


3,239 posted on 03/21/2010 1:18:18 PM PDT by cbkaty (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life---Churchill)
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To: Outlaw Woman

When the agreement is dissolved, Stupak will do nothing.

He has no principles, except those that are for sale to the highest bidder.


3,240 posted on 03/21/2010 1:18:27 PM PDT by cookiedough
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