Posted on 03/19/2010 4:56:11 PM PDT by chessplayer
What if Darwin's theory of natural selection is inaccurate? What if the way you live now affects the life expectancy of your descendants?
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And yet that's what evos continually try to do and then claim that it's not such a great God we worship.
Well, if they're basing it on THEIR view of God, yeah, he's not such a great god. The problem is, their god is not the real one and I wouldn't want to worship theirs either.
No, it's like accepting stories of the world that doesn't exist.
Scientists have never proved that the universe came into existence without intelligent intervention
Maybe you can tell me what is intelligent about gas and rocks endlessly going around in circles—as far as we can see?
And they have also constantly done what I pointed out earlier to shibumi, that is demand evidence for a creator and then reject everything that creationists bring to the table as not *real* evidence
What evidence do they present other than their a priori belief? If it is a fact, then prove that God created the world.
They have set up demands that are impossible to meet
So, on what basis do you believe they are true? Just because?
and then laugh and mock that creationists have nothing to support themselves but *belief* or *faith* or whatever they want to label it
I thought Christianity is, like all religions, a belief. The Church Creed starts with "I believe..." for a reason...
So while evos claim *Ha, ha, you can't prove it*, creationists say that they can but you won't accept it.
I thought it was impossible to prove. Make up your mind...is it because you don;t want to or because it is impossible? I am sure if you presented "real" evidence which you seem to think the creationists have, the whole world would believe it. real evidence is self-convincing. So, if you don't believe there is gravity...
Your unwillingness to accept the evidence does not mean that it doesn't exist or doesn't support the creationist point.
I mean it's like sour milk...it's milk but it's useless. You can't expect people to accept something that is useless. The unwillingness maybe has to do with the fact that the milk is sour. :)
Indeed; this is my understanding of what the word "objectivity" means, too.
Thank you ever so much, dear sister in Christ, for your outstanding analysis.
That's like answering a question such as "what is this" with "it is what it is." Duh.
That your life and reason = God. :)
Including yours? Then how do you know that? And by what conceptual method? And what does a deep thought do to the incomprehensible?
Now all of this is in his vision at once but he is beyond it and yet his consciousness is present all the time in every part down to the smallest sub atomic particle ad infinitum.
How do you know that?
Without god-consciousness there is no universe, no reality
You didn't prove that! You are just making statements of fact without a shred of evidence.
[neither] Man nor science can ever boil the creator down into an equation or something in a test-tube
Who says? Why not?
Deuteronomy 32:6
Would you believe if someone quoted from the Koran or the Upanishads as "proof?" If your only proof is the Bible, you are on thin ice.
No, on my own I would never even bring up the subject. Were it not for people who claim the equivalent of pink unicorns on Jupiter, the topic would be a dead issue as far as I am concerned.
I find it truly amazing that you would expend this much energy on something that you believe isn’t there.
Then perhaps this means you are "spiritually dead" already. Not to mention that there had been no reference to "pink unicorns on Jupiter" on this thread, 'til you bought it up.
I wonder what you are about, dear kosta; and pray for your soul.
It’s no different that the *Because I said so* type of “proof” that the evos provide.
You’re not providing any thing different or better than that which you’re condemning from us.
INDEED.
AGREED.
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For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways, says the Lord.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
The way that can be spoken of
Is not the eternal Way;
The name that can be named
Is not the eternal name.
The nameless was the beginning of heaven and earth;
The Formless is Attributed and Unattributed,
And gone into absorption in the cosmic Void.
Himself has He made creation; Himself on it meditates.
In the cosmic Void is he absorbed,
Where plays the unstruck mystic music--
Beyond expression is this miraculous wonder.
The eye cannot see it; the mind cannot grasp it.
The deathless Self has neither caste nor race,
Neither eyes nor ears nor hands nor feet.
Sages say this Self is infinite in the great
And in the small, everlasting and changeless,
The source of life.
No vision can grasp Him,
But His grasp is over all vision;
He is above all comprehension,
Yet is acquainted with all things.
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When it’s all said and done, evos and science offer nothing of lasting value to life or the world or the universe. It’s a barren, meaningless, purposeless existence that amounts to dust in the wind.
Everything is just the result of chance and accident, our thoughts and emotions nothing more than a bunch of chemical reactions. And yet they deride and ridicule believers, which is ludicrous, as all they have to say amounts to nothing in the long run. So their derision and mockery is as meaningless as their existence.
Ecclesiastes 1
12 I, the Teacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem. 13 I devoted myself to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under heaven. What a heavy burden God has laid on men! 14 I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.
15 What is twisted cannot be straightened;
what is lacking cannot be counted.
16 I thought to myself, “Look, I have grown and increased in wisdom more than anyone who has ruled over Jerusalem before me; I have experienced much of wisdom and knowledge.” 17 Then I applied myself to the understanding of wisdom, and also of madness and folly, but I learned that this, too, is a chasing after the wind.
I wouldn't put the question quite that way, dear kosta, though what you wrote is true enough.
God, finally, does not boil down to me (or to you), or to my (your) categories of empirical analysis.
Primarily I live in Him, not He in me. (Though He does that, too.)
FWIW
You mock others faith and beliefs and have what to offer in return?
Nothingness and meaninglessness and purposelessness.
Great position to mock others beliefs from.
Why are you making this about me? I am not the issue. Making it about me is personal and is avoiding the issue.
He’s not making about you and he’s not making it personal and this isn’t the Religion Forum.
Your objections are as meaningless as what you have to offer as an alternative to faith.
Betty boop, I am not the issue. I think you need to concern yourself with issues and not with me.
This is not a piñata forum.
Not to mention that there had been no reference to "pink unicorns on Jupiter" on this thread, 'til you bought it up.
It makes no difference; the concept is the same.
I wonder what you are about, dear kosta; and pray for your soul
Thank you, that would be a very nice PM, but again, a public forum is not about me.
Pointless oblivion is just so utterly compelling. Give up, it’s a lost cause. /s
I am also not talking about if as if it were a fact. That's the difference. Science doesn't have all the answers and theories are just that. They are not facts. So, we talk about the theory of evolution. If you wish to speak of the theory of God I think the discussion would be fabulous.
But, that's not the case. The creationists speak of God and of the Bible as they were a matter of fact. If they are facts then prove them. You know very well that if I claim something to be a fact and I can't provide proof then it's not a fact.
You’re not providing any thing different or better than that which you’re condemning from us.
I am not condemning anyone. Unsubstantiated claims condemn those who make them.
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