Posted on 03/19/2010 4:56:11 PM PDT by chessplayer
What if Darwin's theory of natural selection is inaccurate? What if the way you live now affects the life expectancy of your descendants?
(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...
And how do you know it's true? Because you choose to believe it is? Do you believe something is true because you believe it it?
Apparently, you'd only consider that God revealed the truth in the Bible if it lined up with what you already believe about the world and how it works.
Isn't that how it works for those who believe the Bible?
Since it doesn't, you therefore label it as not true
No, I just don't believe the tall tales about talking donkeys, people living inside a belly of a fish for three days, people being cured by passing shadows, or raised from the dead, simply because some book says it happened. It just doesn't happen in this world. When and if it happens then I may reconsider, along with flying saucers...or pink unicorns on Jupiter.
So one has to invent God to explain what science can't? In other words, God is used to fill the vacuum science hasn't been able to fill yet? Why do we have to have all the answers? Why can't we just say we don't know this, or that yet (or eve for that matter)?
Rather, [Einstein's] entire working presupposition was that "There had to be something behind objects that lay deeply hidden...
Had to? Why?
That is, he recognized that the universe, though seemingly incomprehensively vast and unfathomably complex, has the property of intelligibility, which presupposes Mind.
What's the "mind" behind colliding galaxies? Or uvula for that matter?
Of course there’s no reason to expect them to happen in the natural world, that’s why they’re called miracles.
But miracles still do happen, even today, and if you don’t believe that, it’s because you choose to deny it, not because there isn’t plenty of evidence that they really happen.
You’re right that believing that they are true is a matter of choice, as is believing that they couldn’t or didn’t happen. However, your denial of them doesn’t make them untrue.
Luke 16: 27-31 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
“Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’
” ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
“He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ “
Colliding galaxies? Just because we don't know yet doesn't mean there's not a reason.
The uvula? You can't be serious.......
You tell us. That's a question better asked of the evos and scientists who claim they have all the answers.
It gives more freedom to human imagination to create pink elephants.
Which scientist/evolutionist says science has all the answers? Name one.
It's enough to say that a circle does not exist w/o a physical instantiation of it, as in an object that contains a circle, or as an instance in some rational being's mind. Otherwise you must provide evidence for the claim that the material world was created and identify the creator.
There is a reason for everything that happens, but it's not necessarily intelligent. Besides, why not wait until we find out instead of making presupposing that the universe is intelligently designed?
The uvula? You can't be serious
Yes, I am serious? Any intelligent reason to cross alimentary and respiratory tracts other than so that God's central creation can choke on food?
Conveniently...yet I am not aware of any unnatural world where such things happen.
But miracles still do happen, even today, and if you don’t believe that, it’s because you choose to deny it, not because there isn’t plenty of evidence that they really happen
Name one, and don't forget evidence.
I am not denying them. I doubt them. Again, doubt is justified. Making statements of fact without offering credible proof is not.
Luke 16: 27-31...
You are quoting from the book that says people are cured by passing shadows, people live in a belly of a fish and survive for three days, there are talking donkeys, diseases are caused by demons, and dead people are resurrected after being dead for 4 days, as if this is some kind of credible evidence?
He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead
Neat. If I don't have evidence then i say if you don;t believe even this (unbelievable) thing then there is no point is proving the big stuff...hey they thought about all the excuses, what can I say, just so that they don't have to prove anything.
Then what's the reason for presupposing that the universe wasn't intelligently designed.
At least the presupposition that the universe was intelligently designed has precedent to back it up.
Do you even know what the uvula is and what function it has?
Of course you are denying them. You're claiming that they don't happen. That's not doubt, that's denial.
What do you consider credible proof that you're just not going to blow off as not good enough, or not sufficient enough?
INDEED.
WELL PUT.
Which all gets back to the point that it isn’t really all about science, or enough evidence to back up the Bible, but that it’s all about attacking religious belief and ridiculing those who have it.
That’s what these conversations get down to each and every time. Science in general, and evolution in particular, is the weapon of choice by the atheists with which to bludgeon Christianity and Christians.
Without fail, when they begin to lose the argument on what truth is, they resort to mockery, derision, and ridicule to try to discredit their opponents. They demand more than say so as to why someone should believe the Bible, and yet offer nothing more than say so as to why someone should believe them.
Atheists skepticism about miracles is not proof that they didn’t occur, or disproof of their occurrence.
I do know a Christian surgeon who regularly prays for and with his patients and often has to send them home without operating on them because they were healed. He uses scans and tests for the diagnosis and proof of healing.
Now, you’re not going to take my word for it. You’re not going to take his word for it. You’re not going to take the word of the person who was healed about it. You’re going to accuse them of lying unless they meet your specific demands for proof, none of which is likely to ever satisfy you.
You’re going to demand the actual scans and test results yourself. But then the question arises, that even if someone provided the requested images and documents, do you have the skill and training to correctly interpret them?
If you do, then it could be reasonably concluded that you are in the medical field where you would receive such training. If that was the case, then there would be no need to provide you with the requested evidence as you would have likely already seen examples of it. Virtually every medical professional I’ve ever met can point to miraculous healings of some kind. You’re lack of awareness of them indicates that you are not a medical professional.
If you aren’t a medical professional, then providing you with scans and test results that you are incapable of correctly interpreting, is an exercise in futility.
I could spend the rest of my life googling up testimonies of healings and I have no doubt, you’d find the rest of your life finding reasons for rejecting each and every one of them.
There is a healing/prayer room associated with the Cleveland Clinic where a lot of people go for healing and get healed. You could try there. I will see if I can find out specifically what it’s called and how to contact them but it will take some time to locate the contact person.
I could spend the rest of my life googling up testimonies of healings and I have no doubt, you’d find you could spend the rest of your life finding reasons for rejecting each and every one of them.
Thank you! I agree with you entirely.
Does it bother you when people do not accept anecdotal accounts of "healings" from anonymous internet posts as factual events?
//Science in general, and evolution in particular, is the weapon of choice by the atheists with which to bludgeon Christianity and Christians.
Without fail, when they begin to lose the argument on what truth is, they resort to mockery, derision, and ridicule to try to discredit their opponents.//
Yes, every time that is where they go. It’s an insight into the psyche of the evolutionist.
Yes I do.
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