Gen. Patrick R. Cleburne—Stonewall Jackson of the West

Canda Free Press ^ | March 7, 2010 | Calvin E. Johnson, Jr.

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Do you remember the 1961 weekly television series, entitled “The Americans?”

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"Many a good boy lost a young and promising life. Some wore blue and some wore gray."
'The Killer Angles'-Shaara

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A 44th Alabama(Evander Law’s)Infantry Brigade yell to ya.

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"He is however best known for his service to the Confederates States of America during the War Between the States. of Northern Aggression

There...fixed.

now I'm ducking as I don my flameproof jammies.

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"Many a good boy lost a young and promising life. Some wore blue and some wore gray." 'The Killer Angels'-Shaara

Durned fashionistas! Fighting over clothes!

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15th Virgina “Patrick Henry Rifles” Salute.

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now I'm ducking as I don my flameproof jammies.

If South Carolina had not attacked Fort Sumter, there would have been no war. Lincoln may have been bound and determined to "preserve the Union", but Congress had no such determination.

Of course, if it hadn't been for South Carolina's attack on Fort Sumter, Virginia and North Carolina would not have seceded. The Confederacy would have been an economic wreck - an impoverished third-world country, rather than the slavery-spreading empire the secessionists were dreaming of.

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The Confederacy would have been an economic wreck - an impoverished third-world country, rather than the slavery-spreading empire the secessionists were dreaming of.

You're sick. Lincoln was a butcher and destroyed states rights. We are all slaves now thanks to your corrupt hero.

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My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.

     --Abe Lincoln

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"I am not now, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social or political equality of the white and black races. I am not now nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor of intermarriages with white people. There is a physical difference between the white and the black races which will forever forbid the two races living together on social or political equality. There must be a position of superior and inferior, and I am in favor of assigning the superior position to the white man."

      --Abe

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For those who think that Lincoln was the aggressor, I point you to his first inaugural:

I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.

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I therefore consider that in view of the Constitution and the laws the Union is unbroken, and to the extent of my ability, I shall take care, as the Constitution itself expressly enjoins upon me, that the laws of the Union be faithfully executed in all the States. Doing this I deem to be only a simple duty on my part, and I shall perform it so far as practicable unless my rightful masters, the American people, shall withhold the requisite means or in some authoritative manner direct the contrary. I trust this will not be regarded as a menace, but only as the declared purpose of the Union that it will constitutionally defend and maintain itself.

In doing this there needs to be no bloodshed or violence, and there shall be none unless it be forced upon the national authority. The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the Government and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere. Where hostility to the United States in any interior locality shall be so great and universal as to prevent competent resident citizens from holding the Federal offices, there will be no attempt to force obnoxious strangers among the people for that object. While the strict legal right may exist in the Government to enforce the exercise of these offices, the attempt to do so would be so irritating and so nearly impracticable withal that I deem it better to forego for the time the uses of such offices.

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In your hands, my dissatisfied fellow-countrymen, and not in mine, is the momentous issue of civil war. The Government will not assail you. You can have no conflict without being yourselves the aggressors. You have no oath registered in heaven to destroy the Government, while I shall have the most solemn one to "preserve, protect, and defend it."

As for those who insist that the South seceded for reasons other than the preservation of its ability to expand slavery, I point you to the declarations of secession:

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.

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It was a travesty that Cleburne died under the leadership of Hood, probably the worst commanding general the Confederacy ever had. Hood sent thousands of men into terrible enemy fire with no chance of success. The battle of Franklin, where Cleburne died, was one of the Confederacy's worst defeats.

To think that Hood had both Cleburne and Forrest at his use and failed to use their skills speaks volumes about Hood's leadership skills.

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Cleburne was a GREAT man,as was the rest of the Confederate Army that fought against the Illinois Butcher!

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“For those who think that Lincoln was the aggressor”

I’m reserving this comment for later..

God take me now!

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“Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right - a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can may revolutionize and make their own so much of the territory as they inhabit.” — Congressman Abraham Lincoln, 1847, from speech on floor of U.S. House of Rep.

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I have no recollection of the TV series “The Americans” and find no google mentions of it. Does anyone have any information on it?