Posted on 02/27/2010 5:02:33 PM PST by spacejunkie01
“Marsha McFadden has some serious explaining to do.”
Interesting point. Chances are Marsha is not speaking from direct knowledge.
Nonetheless, it is possible Stanley’s bank VP mother had a hand in applying for a BC pursuant to Hawaiian policies while Stanley was elsewhere, which then served as a basis for the newspaper announcement.
If we find that the Hawaii people have lied to us about the birth announcements it means that not only has the Hawaii DOH already been shown to have participated in Obama’s fraud, but both Hawaii newspapers as well.
My biggest concern in all this is that there is huge corruption in the government, law enforcement, and media - and the people seem powerless to MAKE THE LAWS STICK.
I started out being agnostic about the birth announcements like you are. They don’t prove place of birth even if they came from the state DOH. But as I look at the information I can tell you with near certainty that those announcements did NOT come from the state registrar as both Hawaii newspapers have told us. Look for more information to come out about this sooner or later.
It’s not the birth dates and cert#’s that pose the problem. What poses the problem is that the “Date filed” is the date that the state registrar gave the cert number - and the Factcheck one was filed (given a number) 3 days earlier than the Nordykes’ but has a later number. Even if a BC was sitting in a pile somewhere it wouldn’t be given a number until the “date filed”. So piles don’t affect this anomaly at all.
Janice Okubo has said, and BC’s posted online confirm, that the certificate numbers are given by the state registrar’s office on the “Date filed”. The problem is that Obama’s Factcheck COLB says it was filed (given a number) 3 days before the Nordykes’ were, and yet Obama’s has a later number. Piles don’t affect this because the actual date of filing is different. If they were all filed on the same day, piles could explain the discrepancy. But these were filed (given numbers) 3 days apart. That’s not an issue of piles.
There’s more documentation about this at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/
Natural born or not, he has committed forgery. And his lawyers have committed extortion.
And he - via Bill Ayers’ writing - has lied about everything in his life.
The actual numbers on unattended births don’t support the 40% figure, according to the CDC’s Vital Statistics Report for 1961.
I’ve asked others and have received some thoughtful responses, but what would you expect to see in the newspapers if there was a master list of births which the state registrar gave to the newspapers? Would you expect to see what is in the Aug 13th Advertiser and the Aug 14th Star-Bulletin: nearly identical lists of names and addresses on the same day or adjacent days?
Right. But it could well be that the birth announcements will show us who else has been willing to lie for Obama. And that could open a whole ‘nother (very deserving) can of worms.
You need to see the rest of the story though - what Hawaii officials have said in their LEGALLY-ACCOUNTABLE responses. Hundred-eighty degrees from what they say off the record. See it at
http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/
The date we have to be concerned with isn’t the date of birth. The dates that are giving the problems are the ones for “Date filed”. That’s the day the state registrar gave the numbers in ascending order.
Obama’s supposedly was given a number 3 days before the Nordykes’ were, and yet he was given a later number.
What if those announcements didn’t come from the state registrar at all? What if they came from the person?
And actually the place a person resides is irrelevant to where they were born. A person could reside in Hawaii and still give birth anywhere in the world.
Also you should know that Deputy AG Jill Nagamine has refused to say whether Mark Bennett approved Fukino’s July 27th press release. From the very beginning the DOH and AG’s office have given conflicting UIPA responses regarding whether counsel was given.
So - just like everything surrounding Obama - the people who could easily answer questions, and are REQUIRED to provide records - are refusing, against self-interest if the truth favors Obama and official Hawaii actions.
You quoted the Politifact article saying, “Still, she acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.” “
That lone statement could save Okubo from going to jail. Yet that one statement is the thing that EVERYBODY IN THE NEWS MEDIA ignores. When push came to shove, Okubo refused to say that the online COLB is authentic.
Now we know why. She knew it was a forgery all along. She holds that she is legally forbidden to publicly state whether it’s a forgery.
How do you know?
Also you should know that Deputy AG Jill Nagamine has refused to say whether Mark Bennett approved Fukino’s July 27th press release. From the very beginning the DOH and AG’s office have given conflicting UIPA responses regarding whether counsel was given.
So - just like everything surrounding Obama - the people who could easily answer questions, and are REQUIRED to provide records - are refusing, against self-interest if the truth favors Obama and official Hawaii actions.
If it isn’t on the record, its heresay.
You quoted the Politifact article saying, “Still, she acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.” “
That lone statement could save Okubo from going to jail. Yet that one statement is the thing that EVERYBODY IN THE NEWS MEDIA ignores. When push came to shove, Okubo refused to say that the online COLB is authentic.
Now we know why. She knew it was a forgery all along. She holds that she is legally forbidden to publicly state whether it’s a forgery.
I don’t care what political party somebody is. Everybody in government is equally capable of corruption if they have unbridled power. And that, right there, is the problem I am most concerned about. Whenever you have government, media, and law enforcement all unable to be checked by the will of the people and by the law, it’s a recipe for disaster - regardless of politics or parties.
This is SOOOOO beyond parties and politics. This is the realm of criminal enterprise - and yes, Republicans can be part of that enterprise as well.
The press, government, and law enforcement have a co-dependent, dysfunctional relationship. Anybody we send into Washington, DC eventually accepts one of the roles in the dysfunction. Until we come to terms with the fact that “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely” we will never confront the symbiotic relationship between media and government that lives in a fantasy world.
We have to introduce them to reality. They need to know that just saying that global warming is real doesn’t make it real. And when we finally find out about e-mails bragging about how crooked the researchers are being, we refuse to swallow the crap sandwich - even if it’s all the rage in DC.
Obama’s documentation is a crap sandwich. Unless we spit it back in his face he and his ilk will continue this crap on every subject they venture into. Appeasement will never satisfy a tyrant. We know that about Iran. When will we learn the same thing with our own media, government, and law enforcement?
Hopefully BEFORE we turn into Mexico or Venezuela.
I have always believed that some form of filing was made on August 8, 1961. And given the effort they engaged in to get her back from Africa, I assume she made it. But it is difficult to see why, if they made it, they would then have made a filing showing that he was born in Africa; which I believe they did. That's why they can't let you see the vault copy.
Where did we get the microfiche? I don't think we got them from an official source--I think someone claimed to have found one in an obscure Library collection; later a second one the same way. Exactly what you would do if you had faked the first one, found it; and then thought you needed to find a second one to authenticate the first.
I did think the papers had a reasonable story about why they couldn't come up with the hard copy. I was a little surprised that the Seattle Public Library didn't have either hard copy or microfiche for the period.
But on reflection, you might expect the Records section to show the hospital and doctor; because those are the people who initiate the filings. Further, grandmother was an influential person in Honolulu--didn't make any difference what color the kid was or what his parentage was, if they had been going to drop him in Hawaii, he would have had gold plated hospital and doctor care.
That's really one of the best arguments--if the announcements were genuine, you would have found a doctor and hospital because the family was an established Hawaii family and their names would also have been on the announcement. No doctor, hospital, nurse, attending person, no single person who has any first hand knowledge has appeared.
When has Okubo ever given anything except hearsay?
When she confirmed via official UIPA responses that Obama’s BC has been amended (which should have been noted on the Factcheck COLB if it was genuine) and that the certificate number and “Date filed” on Factcheck’s COLB are not possible given the cert numbers and date accepted by state registrar on the Nordyke certificates.
Yet those are not the “facts” the media is quoting Okubo as saying. Why is that? And why are WE (”birthers”) the ones who are being ridiculed for not accepting the official word on such matters?
Seems to me like we’re the ONLY ones who are accepting the official word from Janice Okubo: that Factcheck has to be a forgery.
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