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Greece loses EU voting power in blow to sovereignty
London Daily Telegraph, U.K. ^ | Tuesday February 16, 2010 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 02/16/2010 1:04:10 PM PST by jpl

The council of EU finance ministers said Athens must comply with austerity demands by March 16 or lose control over its own tax and spend policies altogether. It if fails to do so, the EU will itself impose cuts under the draconian Article 126.9 of the Lisbon Treaty in what would amount to economic suzerainty.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: eu; europe; europeanunion; greece; socialismsucks
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To: buwaya
Mixing apples and oranges. The US has been responsible for doing nothing to save 4 million Christians to die at the hands of the Muslim turks in the teens and 20s of the 20th century. read DH lawrence and some middle east oil history on this.

They hardly lifted a finger to save thousands of Christians drowning in the waters off the port of Smyrnae - read Horton's The Blight of Asia.

I agree that there are far too many Papandreous - and all of them have been trained here in the US.

Gee whiz - how does that happen...DUH?

121 posted on 02/16/2010 2:54:38 PM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: the invisib1e hand

LOL!


122 posted on 02/16/2010 2:56:29 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: jpl
Nothing rotten about it, Greece is long overdue for some fiscal sanity.

If it wants to leave Europe to sink back into third world hellhole status to maintain its absurd free lunch fantasies for five more minutes, it is free to do so. But if it wants to be in a grown up club it has to act like a grown up.

123 posted on 02/16/2010 3:02:32 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Ben Mugged
Because rich capitalists are to blame for fantasies of an endless free lunch by socialist let's pretend falling apart. Where have you been? The socialists haven't had any other story line since 1848...
124 posted on 02/16/2010 3:03:40 PM PST by JasonC
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To: eleni121
The US has saved more innocent human being from death and tyranny than any society in world history, bar none. Meanwhile modern Greece is an absurdist's pipe dream of endless free lunch pay for my somebody else, pretending to be a country.
125 posted on 02/16/2010 3:05:56 PM PST by JasonC
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Soros is a Hungarian.


126 posted on 02/16/2010 3:25:01 PM PST by kosta50 (The World is the way it is -- even if you don't understand it)
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To: jpl

What a strange and divisive thread this is.

And any number of posters seem to not know the difference between the EU (as a political alliance) and the monetary eurozone. The UK is part of the EU, but not the eurozone. Greece could leave the eurozone and still be a EU member.

The latter would be good and welcome. No bailout for the cheating, socialist bloodsuckers!


127 posted on 02/16/2010 3:25:26 PM PST by Moltke (DOPE will get you 4 to 8 in the Big House - HOPE will get you 4 to 8 in the White House.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Anyway, I got curious (like maybe his father was Greek even though he was born in Hungary) and noticed this: Father: Tivadar Schwartz (attorney, d. 1968)

Greek with a name like Schwartz? Try German-Jewish? Besides it is pronounced Shorosh and Greeks dont's have "sh".

128 posted on 02/16/2010 3:29:25 PM PST by kosta50 (The World is the way it is -- even if you don't understand it)
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To: jpl

Europeans have never gotten along. It’s only a matter of time before another tyrant comes to power over there.


129 posted on 02/16/2010 3:39:01 PM PST by Diggity
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To: NeoCaveman

......a natural union .....

Actually, history teaches that the union is the result of a war of aggression by the same northeastern states in disrepute and responsible for mega problems today.


130 posted on 02/16/2010 3:44:08 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Tax the poor. Taxes will give them a stake in society)
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To: C19fan

Perhaps everything you say is true but...... a start, an initial trial has been made to solve problems even more enormous.

History, that takes years and years by the way, will give a verdict. Insisting on short term perfection is a losing proposition.


131 posted on 02/16/2010 3:48:05 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Tax the poor. Taxes will give them a stake in society)
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To: Rebelbase

Thanks. I would have had to look up the definition if you hadn’t already posted it!


132 posted on 02/16/2010 4:00:35 PM PST by Lorica
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To: InterceptPoint
This article uses the term suzerainty. That's a new one for me and I assume most Freepers but if Wikipedia has heard of it then it must be a real word.

It is a real word, and if you had a chance to take some history courses in college you would have come across it. It is not as overarching as saying the EU is sovereign over Greece, but suzerainty does imply a significant loss of independence.

It is amazing that this Lisbon "Treaty" rammed down the throats of Europeans includes such a provision. I am curious what else is in that document.


133 posted on 02/16/2010 4:21:43 PM PST by magooey (then - NO JUSTICE! NO PEACE!, now - NO DATA! NO WARMING!)
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To: Ben Mugged; rintense; All

Some of our big financial institutions needed to be bailed out by our government. Most have hurried to pay back what they were advanced so as to get back control. Hope it works the same with Greece.


134 posted on 02/16/2010 4:47:31 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: buwaya; The KG9 Kid; All

Haven’t you heard of the PIGS problem? Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain, all in trouble.


135 posted on 02/16/2010 4:51:37 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: jpl

The citizens of Greece can now ask themselves a question: Is Greece a real democracy, or is it a mere appendage of Brussels?


136 posted on 02/16/2010 4:53:40 PM PST by mojito
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To: eleni121
My first preference is for them to get the Hell out of the EU. There are alternatives...

Agreed. Many of them didn't want the EU to begin with. The joke about putting two Greeks in a room and getting three opinions is kind of true. Certainly, my country in-laws are staunchly pro-American (although, I haven't inquired since Obama took over). The city friends are more inclined to be flaming socialists. I suppose that's not so much different from here.

I don't put too much stock in strikes and protests unless there starts to be significant property damage. Seems like striking is sort of a national sport.

137 posted on 02/16/2010 4:56:06 PM PST by JustSurrounded (Start with the Constitution -- pass the Enumerated Powers Act (H111-450, S111-1319))
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To: buwaya
Greece is the most anti-American country in Europe

No. How many countries in Europe do you know that have a statue to a post-war American president in its capital?

Greece has a vocal hard left. (In Greece everything is vocal). But anti-American Greeks as a whole are not, they know who saved them from Stalin in 1949.

138 posted on 02/16/2010 5:11:07 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Ben Mugged

It still shows that national sovereignty under EU is conditional.

What Greece needs is a few good colonels getting the monarchy restored.


139 posted on 02/16/2010 5:16:16 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Rebelbase
This will do:

A feudal lord to whom fealty was due.

140 posted on 02/16/2010 5:38:33 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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