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Many meteorologists break with science of global warming
Kansas City Star ^ | 2/13/2010 | RICK MONTGOMERY

Posted on 02/14/2010 10:09:08 AM PST by ricks_place

We now take you live to a storm within the ranks of America’s weathercasters.

It is a quiet controversy about global warming. At least one local broadcaster had been hoping to keep it quiet.

But after considerable persuasion last week, the Fox affiliate WDAF reluctantly allowed its chief meteorologist, Mike Thompson, to explain in an e-mail to The Kansas City Star why he breaks from the scholarly worldview of the causes of climate change.

“It has become completely political — it’s not about science at all,” he wrote in an e-mail. “If science were the objective, then we would be seeing an entirely different debate. But there are agendas at play, and it has undermined the credibility of climate science.”

Others in his profession share that view.

“Global warming is the greatest scam in history,” blogged a veteran TV weatherman in San Diego, John Coleman, in late 2007. He then appeared on Glenn Beck’s show.

That hardly stunned University of Texas researcher Kris Wilson, who for years has probed the wide range of attitudes, values and skill sets of those beamed into your living room to chat up the weather.

What did surprise Wilson was that 29 percent of meteorologists in a modest survey he conducted took Coleman’s side — “a scam,” they called the scare.

And a clear majority of 121 weathercasters polled — 62 percent — said they thought climate models were unreliable for predicting temperatures and sea levels to come.

It is important to know that meteorologists are not climatologists.

(Excerpt) Read more at kansascity.com ...


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62% of Weathercasters say climate models are unreliable. Many probably respond neutral to protect their careers.

29% of Meteorologists say global warming is a scam. Many probably respond neutral to protect their careers.

1 posted on 02/14/2010 10:09:08 AM PST by ricks_place
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To: ricks_place

find the leaders and lets charge them with RICO and get our money back.. States Attoneys General ... get a set..
Under RICO, a person who is a member of an enterprise that has committed any two of 35 crimes—27 federal crimes and 8 state crimes—within a 10-year period can be charged with racketeering. Those found guilty of racketeering can be fined up to $250,000 and/or sentenced to 20 years in prison per racketeering count. In addition, the racketeer must forfeit all ill-gotten gains and interest in any business gained through a pattern of “racketeering activity.” RICO also permits a private individual harmed by the actions of such an enterprise to file a civil suit; if successful, the individual can collect treble damages.


2 posted on 02/14/2010 10:10:25 AM PST by gibtx2 (keep up the good work volunteer and replace a dem)
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To: ricks_place; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; Desdemona; Little Bill; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

3 posted on 02/14/2010 10:10:33 AM PST by steelyourfaith (FReepers were opposed to Obama even before it was cool to be against Obama.)
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To: ricks_place

If global warming was true global warming “believers” would not be ripping down hydro-electric dams for any reason.


4 posted on 02/14/2010 10:13:18 AM PST by Tribune7 (Only stupid, racists people support Obama.)
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To: gibtx2

Sounds good to me. Let’s start with Soros and Gore!


5 posted on 02/14/2010 10:13:21 AM PST by Dem Guard
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To: ricks_place
"It is important to know that meteorologists are not climatologists."

ROFL

There is no such thing as a climatologist, only political hacks with a agenda to push who couldn't pass a basic college level science class if their life depended on it.

The “environmental science” degree programs at most colleges are anything BUT science, they are more like “african studies” programs than any real science program.

6 posted on 02/14/2010 10:18:43 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (November is coming.)
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To: ricks_place

The title should read, “Scientists,” with the quotes.


7 posted on 02/14/2010 10:19:37 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: ricks_place

Our meteorologist stepped to the plate...Said Gore etc. is full of cr**.


8 posted on 02/14/2010 10:20:14 AM PST by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: ricks_place

Anyone who has studied complex models knows they are dubious at best for predicting anything long term. Even if you tune them to match past trends it doesn’t mean they will be accurate in projecting future trends. If those models were as accurate as some try to trick the public into believing then all kinds of other models including economic models which are monitoring much more simple and clear dynamics would be more accurate also and they are not. Climate scientists are largely government scientists and they come from schools that have a largely far left bent which explains a lot of the bias that is seen. The inherent bias to maintain their government grants and their standing in a community of like minded individuals is what is driving this.


9 posted on 02/14/2010 10:22:05 AM PST by Maelstorm (We are umbilicaled to a parasitic beast that feeds off one man so to enslave another to dependency.)
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To: ricks_place

Or, that many meteorologists just stick with science.


10 posted on 02/14/2010 10:22:40 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
The title should read, “Scientists,” with the quotes.

"Charlatan" is the appropriate term. Without the quotes.

11 posted on 02/14/2010 10:23:09 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: ricks_place

Well, well...we know that Gore is the biggest scammer of all of them. Wonder when PM Brown is going to be voted out...since he is part of the Gore scam.


12 posted on 02/14/2010 10:24:44 AM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

As I understand it - climatologists study gas, are full of gas and give off gas.

finis


13 posted on 02/14/2010 10:28:41 AM PST by sodpoodle (Despair - Man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
I see that Professor Phil Jones told the BBC yesterday (Feb 13) that he lacked organisational skills, that his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping is ‘not as good as it should be’.

The data is crucial to the famous ‘hockey stick graph’ used by climate change advocates to support the theory.

Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html#ixzz0fXJ8BeNS

Criminal indictments should follow. Starting with Dr. Phil Jones, but by no means ending there.

14 posted on 02/14/2010 10:29:45 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("He who is not angry when there is a just cause for anger, sins." St. Augustine.)
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To: All
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15 posted on 02/14/2010 10:29:55 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: ricks_place

No one with half of a brain can look at even a summary of the history of climate and conditions of our planet and still believe then human beings are causing the global climate to change, in one way or another.

If the planet IS getting warmer, and you wonder why, look up into the sky at that bright white star that we commonly refer to as THE SUN for an explanation.

If anything, people with common sense should welcome warmer climates. It has been during warm periods that life on our planet has thrived. Basically, the entire history of life on our planet has been between ice ages. Life advances between Ice Ages, and is suppressed or nearly non existent during Ice Ages. Those are the facts. Ask any geologist.


16 posted on 02/14/2010 10:30:07 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: ricks_place
A couple of weeks ago the STAR had a full front page spread on the Antarctic warming and the dangers of global warming. They must see the writing on the wall to publish this this Sunday.

Trying to save whatever credibility they have left although they still push the Liberal mantra. They even shaded this one. Thompson is the only forecaster with the fortitude to come right out and call it like it is.

Reading the comments it seems a lot hate him because he is Catholic and therefore must be anti science. I wonder what their FR handles are? :-)

17 posted on 02/14/2010 10:32:11 AM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: sodpoodle
You were saying ...

As I understand it - climatologists study gas, are full of gas and give off gas.

You don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. There are plenty of climatologists who are doing good work. So, I wouldn't dismiss them all -- or even -- dismiss a large part of them, either.

Everyone needs to get to be discriminating and understand what they are saying and go with the ones who, first of all, see that the "Anthropogenic Global Warming" model is nothing but "politics" (and not science) and then, secondly, ones who work on models that show other methodologies for how the earth's climate has changed over the centuries and millennia, when mankind did not have the ability, at all, to influence anything.

18 posted on 02/14/2010 10:33:04 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Sacajaweau
You were saying ...

Our meteorologist stepped to the plate...Said Gore etc. is full of cr**.

I'm sure your meteorologist is a scientist, while everyone knows that Al Gore is a politician. And that's why true scientists see right through the false science of "Anthropogenic Global Warming", and why it's a "politician" who is pushing the "politics of Anthropogenic Global Warming" and not dealing with true science.

19 posted on 02/14/2010 10:35:20 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: KoRn
You were saying ...

If the planet IS getting warmer, and you wonder why, look up into the sky at that bright white star that we commonly refer to as THE SUN for an explanation.

But, saying that doesn't explain it. It's going to take more than that to "explain" the mechanics of Global Warming and Global Cooling. And there is such a thing as Global Warming, along with Global Cooling. It's just "Anthropogenic Global Warming" that is the false science -- and not "Global Warming" (which is true).

So, to have an explanation for why Global Warming happens and why Global Cooling happens, go to Post #15 and see why. And they do provide the "mechanics" behind it that anyone can understand.

20 posted on 02/14/2010 10:38:54 AM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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