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To: BillyBoy

Okay, there is so much wrong with this that I can only address so much:

1.) Whether or not you PERSONALLY agree, many of us do believe that Brady intentionally stalked Oberweis as a means to earn “chits” for a future run at the office. Whether or not he ultimately got to collect those favors is another issue. I am convinced, ABSOLUTELY convinced, he did exactly that.

2.) There was no indication WHATSOEVER that Bill Brady was the Conservative with the best chance of winning. EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the know was convinced Adam Andrzejewski had the mojo, and this was reinforced with the late endorsements and quasi-endorsements by Walesa, Levin, National Review, and Rush Limbaugh. The ONLY poll that EVER showed Brady anywhere within realistic striking distance was a DEMOCRAT poll (PPP). EVERYONE has been pleasantly shocked at the developments since last night, NOBODY is acting like they expected this - no HONEST person.

3.) Oberweis supporters, at least almost every one I knew, were pragmatists looking to beat Topinka. Most would have switched if it looked like Brady was the one with a shot at winning, and if you ask them, they will tell you just that. Some of us who voted for Oberweis last time didn’t even commit to a candidate (though we had our preferences) until the end this time - for that very same reason: we wanted to see who had the best shot at beating Dillard and the gang. You will not get this same concession from Brady backers who cast their votes in 2006 with the full, COMPLETE knowledge that they would be complicit in nominating the ABSOLUTE worst of the worst - Judy Topinka. To them it is, and always was, all about Bill Brady. And rest assured, most of them would have gladly repeated the same scenario this time around (and many of them, I’ll bet, secretly worried that they might have done just that). How many folks went in this time around suspecting, as I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE ADMITTED, that some other Conservative had the best chance of winning, but cast their vote for Bill Brady anyhow because the other Conservative who might win just isn’t Bill Brady?

For those Oberweis voters from 2006 you constantly smear, it was about winning with someone to the right of Topinka. For Bill Brady backers it has always been completely and totally, wholly and solely, all about Bill Brady. They just like him, darn it, and couldn’t imagine voting for ANYONE else. Not even if it means another RINO nomination.

Hearing a Bill Brady voter tell me about “everyone getting together to be unified behind a candidate” is like hearing Liberals tell me about media bias. It is an absolutely laughable statement from someone who would have knowingly and willingly cast a vote for Brady if they knew outright that Dillard and Andrzejewski were in a dead heat and Brady was an also-ran. Only now when Brady is ahead do we suddenly hear the pious plea for unity behind the Conservative leader.

We lucked out (seemingly). Brady didn’t perform much better than last time - but for ONCE the RINOs split the vote three ways, so 20% was enough. Hopefully, he wins - though I fear Dillard will have a few tricks up his sleeve.

But stop lecturing us on what a poor victim(s) Bill Brady and his supporters are/were. You would have knowingly cast a vote for him if Rasmussen had released a final poll showing Brady at 6.0%, and Adam and Kirk tied at 24%. That’s the difference between the pragmatic Oberweis voters of 2006 and the absolutely-cannot-ever-be-moved Brady backers.

Get over it. Your ceaseless whining isn’t going to change the fact that many of us think he stalked Oberweis in 2006, or the fact that most of you would have willingly done the exact same thing again in 2010.


994 posted on 02/03/2010 7:07:07 PM PST by TitansAFC (Socialism is a disease; Sarah Palin is the cure. Palin/Romney 2012 or Palin/Gingrich 2012!!)
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To: TitansAFC; BillyBoy
1.) Whether or not you PERSONALLY agree, many of us do believe that Brady intentionally stalked Oberweis

Oberweis was, is, and always will be a terrible candidate and a waste of votes. He never was or could be a reasonable option for any office, ever, for anyone interesting in winning. Embarrassing.

2.) There was no indication WHATSOEVER that Bill Brady was the Conservative with the best chance of winning. EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the know was convinced Adam Andrzejewski had the mojo

Last three public polls

AA got 7%, 11%, and 11% in the three public polls released the week before the election. BB got 9, 16, 11. Brady equaled or exceeded AA's figure in every poll.

Personally I think there was little evidence regarding who had the better chance at winning (except Proft). Both outperformed their poll numbers significantly.

Adam got some favorable last-minute press on the internet, but that was very late in the game.

995 posted on 02/03/2010 7:25:25 PM PST by Crichton
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To: TitansAFC
Titan, you obviously live in your own alternate reality when EVERY single credible poll during this election showed Brady was the highest polling conservative against the McKenna/Dillard/Ryan combine trio, and RealClearPolitics proved this when they averaged them together. Only in your bizzaro world was Brady only doing well in the PPP poll. Nobody could have predicted Brady would finsh no. #1 today (just as everyone would have been shocked if Oberweis finshed no. #1 in 2006), but EVERYONE was predicting Brady would get more votes than other conservative except the "Adam is polish for Governor" fan club.

Only on planet Titan does Oberweis polling 10 points behind Topinka show he had a really good shot of being her, but Brady polling 2 points behind Dillard show he wasn't expected to come close.

On planet Titan did Brady "lie" by saying he was polling well in 2006, but Adam was Mr. Honesty by making up "endorsements" from Glenn Beck and posting his own "internal numbers" that showed him "within 2 points" (when every credible polling out lit showed him running 5th and 6th place during the entire course of him campaign.

You have it backwards when you think Brady voters are obsessed with Brady and Oberweis/Adam voters (most of whom are the same people) only cared about stopping a RINO. Perhaps you can explain why Brady voters flirted with voting for Matt Murphy and Dan Proft for Governor but most Oberweis voters continued to blindly support him after he had lost four times? (where did all these phantom voters come from who choose Oberweis over Lauzen in 2008?) Perhaps you can explain why Oberweis voters act like Michael Moore (Al Gore is not my guy, I didn't want him, but he was CHEATED out of victory, damnit!) and STILL claim it's Brady's fault the GOP lost in 2006 when the climate shows any rational person the GOP would have lost no one who was the nominee.

Titan, you obviously live in your own little world, when everything the Oberweis kool-aid drinkers said about how "we have to unite to stop the RINO" was proven in this election when they refused to support the highest polling candidate and you even made up your own alternate reality on the internet where Adam was an unstoppable force of nature, unlike the real world where he was polling way behind the major candidates for months on end. Very Ron Paul like. If that's not fanatical devotion for a candidate solely because "your guy" is the only acceptable choice, I dunno what is.

996 posted on 02/03/2010 7:39:23 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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