Posted on 01/29/2010 11:50:28 AM PST by presidio9
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has ruled out talking to the "really bad guys" in Afghanistan, promising that a new drive to woo moderate Taliban would not set back women's rights.
Clinton doubted that Afghan leaders or the international community would reach out to hardliners like Mullah Omar, who headed the Taliban regime which imposed an austere brand of Islam from 1996 to 2001.
"We're not going to talk to the really bad guys because the really bad guys are not ever going to renounce Al-Qaeda and renounce violence and agree to re-enter society," Clinton said in an interview with National Public Radio broadcast on Friday.
"That is not going to happen with people like Mullah Omar and the like."
Clinton was speaking from London, where a global conference threw its backing behind a multimillion-dollar fund to support Afghan President Hamid Karzai's plan to integrate militants who lay down their arms.
The chief US diplomat, a longtime advocate of women's rights, acknowledged that some Afghan women were concerned about dealing with the Taliban -- whose regime forbade women from going to school, working or traveling on their own.
However, she added: "I don't think there is cause for alarm that the current government or any foreseeable government would turn the clock back like that."
She said it was crucial for women's rights that "there is enough power in the state and through the new Afghan security forces to make sure that there's never a resurgence of the Taliban that would come close to taking over large parts of the country.
"That's what we're preventing," said Clinton.
She rejected suggestions the strategy would confuse people just as the United States and its allies pour another 40,000 troops into Afghanistan to battle Islamic extremists.
"You can't have one without the other,"
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Is she trying to tell us something?
Just the Nazis that are late on their party dues...
Does that include the really, really bad guys or just the really bad guys??
And they use to make fun of Bush when he said “Evil Dooers”
The Seige Within - There is nothing called the moderate Taliban
The Times of India
If necessity is the mother of invention then politics is often the father. Barack Obama has invented a phrase that did not exist on January 20, the day he became president. Anxious to win a war through the treasury rather than the Pentagon, he has discovered something called the moderate Taliban in Afghanistan. Joe Biden, his vice president, has found the mathematical coordinates of this oxymoron: only 5% of the Taliban are extremists.
Welcome to Obamas first big mistake.
The war in Afghanistan and Pakistan is not simply against some bearded men and beardless boys who have been turned into suicide missionaries. The critical conflict is against the ideology of a chauvinistic theocracy that seeks to remould the Muslim world into a regressive region from which it can assault every aspect of modernity, whether that be in political space or the social sphere.
Washington has a single dimension definition of moderate: anyone who stops an active, immediate war against the US is a moderate. Let me introduce him to a couple of moderate Taliban. They are now world famous, having been on every national and international news channel these past few days, stars of a video clip from Swat. Two of them had pinned down a 17-year-old girl called Chand Bibi, while a third, his face shrouded, lashed her with a whip 37 times on suspicion of being seen with a man who was not her father or brother.
Obama should record the screams of Chand Bibi and play them to his daughters as the moderate music to which he wants to dance in his Afghan war.
These Taliban are moderate by the norms of the Obama Doctrine: they have come to a deal with America through Islamabad. Pakistani troops are not engaged in their medieval haven, nor are American Drones bombing their homes. All that remains, one presumes, is that they are placed on the Pentagon payroll as insurance of their ceasefire.
Perhaps, in their desperate search for moderation, Obama and Islamabad will promote the denial being manipulated into public discourse. The unbearable Swat-lashing video is now described as fake. It would be nice to know the names of the actors who played such a convincing part in the filming of this fake. Chand Bibi has denied any such incident. Sure: but was any doctor sent to check the scars?
Such compromise with moderation has also taken place next door, in Afghanistan, under the watchful eye of American ally Hamid Karzai. He has just signed a family law bill which compels Afghan women to take permission from their husbands before going to a doctor, seeking education, or getting a job. The husband has become complete master of the bedroom. Custody of children can only go to fathers or grandfathers; women have no rights. A member of Afghanistans upper house, Senator Humaira Namati, has called this law worse than during the Taliban (government). Anyone who spoke out was accused of being against Islam. It makes no difference to the Taliban, of course, that the Quran expressly forbids Muslim men from forcing decisions on their wives against their will. Karzais justification is the usual one: politics. He wanted the support of theocrats in the election scheduled for August this year. Under pressure, there is talk of a review but no one is sure what that means.
If its democracy, it must be moderate, right?
One can understand a post-Iraq Americas reluctance towards wars that seem straight out of Kipling. But we in the region have to live with the political consequences of superpower intervention, and the casual legitimacy that Obama is offering to a destructive ideology will create blowback that spreads far beyond the geography of Afpak.
Benazir Bhutto and the ISI did not create the Taliban in the winter of 1994 for war against America. Its purpose was to defeat fractious Afghan warlords, and establish a totalitarian regime that would equate Afghanistans strategic interests to Pakistans. The ISI conceived an Afpak long before the idea reached the outer rim of Washingtons thinking. Pakistan worked assiduously to widen the Talibans legitimacy and would have drawn America into the fold through the oil-pipeline siren song if Osama bin Laden had not blown every plan apart. In some essentials, things have not changed. Pakistans interests still lie in a pro-Islamabad Taliban regime in Kabul. The moderation theory is a ploy to provide war-weary America with an exit point. Indias anxieties will be offered a smile in public and a shrug in private.
History is uncomfortable with neat closures. Neither the Taliban nor Pakistan are what they were in 1994: the former
is much stronger, the latter substantially weaker. The fall of Kabul to the Taliban this time could be a curtain raiser to the siege of Islamabad.
There is nothing called a moderate lash, or backlash, President Obama.
12 April 2009.
......guess the Gov’mt won’t be talkin’ with any Taliban then.
I hate living in a world where you have to click on every article to make sure it’s not satire.
If I didn’t know better, I’d guess that headline came straight from The Onion.
See #6.
LOL! So true. So true!
There are NO moderate Taliban!
Negotiations with the Taliban, means we failed in Afghanistan. No way around it. I just wish they’d admit it and leave now, rather than pretending for several years that we didn’t.
Thank You.. The Times of India a good source I believe.. Most news out of US are way better at times than our own.
Imagine the media mockery if GWB referred to them as “really bad guys.”
What is a “moderate Taliban” member? Are we passing out litmus tests prior to enacting this latest boneheaded “plan”.
This is going to make me gag but; The Hildebeast makes 1,000% more sense than 0bambi. I strongly suspect that this is political rather than sincere.
The moderate Taliban just blow up our troops and other infidels. The really bad Taliban make their women wear hijabs and treat them like male chauvenist pigs.
Let’s see. If we set the ground rules to limit the talks to discussions between the not really bad Taliban guys and the not really stupid Democrats then nothing will happen. Ever.
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