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Clinton says no talking to 'really bad guys' in Taliban
AFP ^ | Fri Jan 29, 2010

Posted on 01/29/2010 11:50:28 AM PST by presidio9

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has ruled out talking to the "really bad guys" in Afghanistan, promising that a new drive to woo moderate Taliban would not set back women's rights.

Clinton doubted that Afghan leaders or the international community would reach out to hardliners like Mullah Omar, who headed the Taliban regime which imposed an austere brand of Islam from 1996 to 2001.

"We're not going to talk to the really bad guys because the really bad guys are not ever going to renounce Al-Qaeda and renounce violence and agree to re-enter society," Clinton said in an interview with National Public Radio broadcast on Friday.

"That is not going to happen with people like Mullah Omar and the like."

Clinton was speaking from London, where a global conference threw its backing behind a multimillion-dollar fund to support Afghan President Hamid Karzai's plan to integrate militants who lay down their arms.

The chief US diplomat, a longtime advocate of women's rights, acknowledged that some Afghan women were concerned about dealing with the Taliban -- whose regime forbade women from going to school, working or traveling on their own.

However, she added: "I don't think there is cause for alarm that the current government or any foreseeable government would turn the clock back like that."

She said it was crucial for women's rights that "there is enough power in the state and through the new Afghan security forces to make sure that there's never a resurgence of the Taliban that would come close to taking over large parts of the country.

"That's what we're preventing," said Clinton.

She rejected suggestions the strategy would confuse people just as the United States and its allies pour another 40,000 troops into Afghanistan to battle Islamic extremists.

"You can't have one without the other,"

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1 posted on 01/29/2010 11:50:28 AM PST by presidio9
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She stayed away from the State of the Union speech, and I'm not sure she's been talking to Obama lately.

Is she trying to tell us something?

2 posted on 01/29/2010 11:52:47 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We have the 1st so that we can call on people to rebel. We have 2nd so that they can.)
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To: presidio9

Just the Nazis that are late on their party dues...


3 posted on 01/29/2010 11:53:18 AM PST by ChiefKujo
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To: presidio9

Does that include the really, really bad guys or just the really bad guys??


4 posted on 01/29/2010 11:59:40 AM PST by Vasilli22
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To: presidio9

And they use to make fun of Bush when he said “Evil Dooers”


5 posted on 01/29/2010 12:01:12 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: Vasilli22

The Seige Within - There is nothing called the ‘moderate Taliban’

The Times of India

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/opinion/mj-akbar/the-siege-within/There-is-nothing-called-the-moderate-Taliban/articleshow/4390292.cms

If necessity is the mother of invention then politics is often the father. Barack Obama has invented a phrase that did not exist on January 20, the day he became president. Anxious to win a war through the treasury rather than the Pentagon, he has discovered something called the “moderate Taliban” in Afghanistan. Joe Biden, his vice president, has found the mathematical coordinates of this oxymoron: only 5% of the Taliban are “extremists”.

Welcome to Obama’s first big mistake.

The war in Afghanistan and Pakistan is not simply against some bearded men and beardless boys who have been turned into suicide missionaries. The critical conflict is against the ideology of a chauvinistic theocracy that seeks to remould the Muslim world into a regressive region from which it can assault every aspect of modernity, whether that be in political space or the social sphere.

Washington has a single dimension definition of “moderate”: anyone who stops an active, immediate war against the US is a “moderate”. Let me introduce him to a couple of “moderate Taliban”. They are now world famous, having been on every national and international news channel these past few days, stars of a video clip from Swat. Two of them had pinned down a 17-year-old girl called Chand Bibi, while a third, his face shrouded, lashed her with a whip 37 times on suspicion of being seen with a man who was not her father or brother.

Obama should record the screams of Chand Bibi and play them to his daughters as the “moderate” music to which he wants to dance in his Afghan war.

These Taliban are “moderate” by the norms of the Obama Doctrine: they have come to a deal with America through Islamabad. Pakistani troops are not engaged in their medieval haven, nor are American Drones bombing their homes. All that remains, one presumes, is that they are placed on the Pentagon payroll as insurance of their ceasefire.

Perhaps, in their desperate search for moderation, Obama and Islamabad will promote the denial being manipulated into public discourse. The unbearable Swat-lashing video is now described as fake. It would be nice to know the names of the actors who played such a convincing part in the filming of this ‘fake’. Chand Bibi has “denied” any such incident. Sure: but was any doctor sent to check the scars?

Such compromise with ‘moderation’ has also taken place next door, in Afghanistan, under the watchful eye of American ally Hamid Karzai. He has just signed a family law bill which compels Afghan women to take permission from their husbands before going to a doctor, seeking education, or getting a job. The husband has become complete master of the bedroom. Custody of children can only go to fathers or grandfathers; women have no rights. A member of Afghanistan’s upper house, Senator Humaira Namati, has called this law “worse than during the Taliban (government). Anyone who spoke out was accused of being against Islam”. It makes no difference to the Taliban, of course, that the Quran expressly forbids Muslim men from forcing decisions on their wives “against their will”. Karzai’s justification is the usual one: politics. He wanted the support of theocrats in the election scheduled for August this year. Under pressure, there is talk of a review but no one is sure what that means.

If it’s democracy, it must be “moderate”, right?

One can understand a post-Iraq America’s reluctance towards wars that seem straight out of Kipling. But we in the region have to live with the political consequences of superpower intervention, and the casual legitimacy that Obama is offering to a destructive ideology will create blowback that spreads far beyond the geography of “Afpak”.

Benazir Bhutto and the ISI did not create the Taliban in the winter of 1994 for war against America. Its purpose was to defeat fractious Afghan warlords, and establish a totalitarian regime that would equate Afghanistan’s strategic interests to Pakistan’s. The ISI conceived an “Afpak” long before the idea reached the outer rim of Washington’s thinking. Pakistan worked assiduously to widen the Taliban’s legitimacy and would have drawn America into the fold through the oil-pipeline siren song if Osama bin Laden had not blown every plan apart. In some essentials, things have not changed. Pakistan’s interests still lie in a pro-Islamabad Taliban regime in Kabul. The “moderation” theory is a ploy to provide war-weary America with an exit point. India’s anxieties will be offered a smile in public and a shrug in private.

History is uncomfortable with neat closures. Neither the Taliban nor Pakistan are what they were in 1994: the former
is much stronger, the latter substantially weaker. The fall of Kabul to the Taliban this time could be a curtain raiser to the siege of Islamabad.

There is nothing called a moderate lash, or backlash, President Obama.

12 April 2009.


6 posted on 01/29/2010 12:12:46 PM PST by James C. Bennett
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......guess the Gov’mt won’t be talkin’ with any Taliban then.


7 posted on 01/29/2010 12:14:12 PM PST by NoRedTape
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To: presidio9

I hate living in a world where you have to click on every article to make sure it’s not satire.


8 posted on 01/29/2010 12:17:59 PM PST by denydenydeny (The Left sees taxpayers the way Dr Frankenstein saw the local cemetery; raw material for experiments)
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To: presidio9
moderate Taliban NO SUCH ANIMAL!
9 posted on 01/29/2010 12:18:35 PM PST by ColdOne (:^))
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If I didn’t know better, I’d guess that headline came straight from The Onion.


10 posted on 01/29/2010 12:20:26 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: ColdOne

See #6.


11 posted on 01/29/2010 12:22:41 PM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: denydenydeny

LOL! So true. So true!


12 posted on 01/29/2010 12:24:20 PM PST by GVnana ("Obama is incredibly naive and grossly egotistical." Sarkozy)
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Hildabeast: " . . . promising that a new drive to woo moderate Taliban would not set back women's rights."

There are NO moderate Taliban!

13 posted on 01/29/2010 12:25:41 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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Negotiations with the Taliban, means we failed in Afghanistan. No way around it. I just wish they’d admit it and leave now, rather than pretending for several years that we didn’t.


14 posted on 01/29/2010 12:27:33 PM PST by ZX12R
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To: James C. Bennett

Thank You.. The Times of India a good source I believe.. Most news out of US are way better at times than our own.


15 posted on 01/29/2010 12:35:56 PM PST by ColdOne (:^))
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To: presidio9

Imagine the media mockery if GWB referred to them as “really bad guys.”


16 posted on 01/29/2010 12:43:45 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: presidio9

What is a “moderate Taliban” member? Are we passing out litmus tests prior to enacting this latest boneheaded “plan”.


17 posted on 01/29/2010 12:53:01 PM PST by Carling (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.)
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To: presidio9

This is going to make me gag but; The Hildebeast makes 1,000% more sense than 0bambi. I strongly suspect that this is political rather than sincere.


18 posted on 01/29/2010 1:03:48 PM PST by TigersEye (It's the Marxism, stupid!)
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US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has ruled out talking to the "really bad guys" in Afghanistan, promising that a new drive to woo moderate Taliban would not set back women's rights.

The moderate Taliban just blow up our troops and other infidels. The really bad Taliban make their women wear hijabs and treat them like male chauvenist pigs.

19 posted on 01/29/2010 1:18:36 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Let’s see. If we set the ground rules to limit the talks to discussions between the not really bad Taliban guys and the not really stupid Democrats then nothing will happen. Ever.


20 posted on 01/29/2010 1:22:04 PM PST by hometoroost (Obama's accomplishments - Bush looks smart; Clinton looks honest; Carter looks patriotic)
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