It doesn't matter how "gutted" it is.
If it passes in ANY form, it will grow like a cancer. If it's just a blank piece of paper with the bill name on it, it's BAD.
What the hell do you think Medicare was all about?
Posted on 01/20/2010 11:01:28 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
The president said he would be open to scaling back health reform legislation in order to salvage it.
President Barack Obama suggested he's open to Congress passing a scaled-back health-care bill, potentially sacrificing much of his signature policy initiative as chaos engulfed Capitol Hill Wednesday.
Top Democrats said they would press ahead despite growing doubts among rank-and-file members that they can pass a bill they've been laboring over for nearly a year. A host of ideas offered in recent days have lost favor.
One day after losing their filibuster-proof Senate majority in a Massachusetts special election, exhausted Senate Democrats looked downtrodden as they filed into their weekly lunch in a second-floor room at the Capitol. "People are hysterical right now," said one Senate aide.
Party members clashed openly over what to do next. Sen. Max Baucus, a top Senate Democrat, appeared to throw cold water on a bill that would focus only on stiffer insurance regulations. Rep. Charles Rangel, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, scotched another idea, a complicated parliamentary maneuver to usher a bill quickly to the president's desk.
In an interview with ABC News, President Obama said he would be open to scaling back the legislation in order to salvage it. "I would advise that we try to move quickly to coalesce around those elements in the package that people agree on," Obama said. White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer said later the president would prefer Congress to pass the comprehensive package, and hasn't given up on that option.
A pared-down bill could still restrict insurance companies
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Not a chance. This bill has become toxic to too many house dems. This bill is dead, dead, dead.
All they need are 218 fanatics.
Not kidding. Morris thinks Pelosi can muster 218 to go on a one way mission. Alinski rules dictate this approach. I amsure they will try.
It has crossed a lot of Rat minds, but the votes are simply not there. Any attempt will go down in ignominy.
They barely got enough votes before last night. The bill is completly dead...zero chance the house passes it.
It doesn't matter how "gutted" it is.
If it passes in ANY form, it will grow like a cancer. If it's just a blank piece of paper with the bill name on it, it's BAD.
What the hell do you think Medicare was all about?
That “Teabagger” insult is particularly galling. The libs should be made to pay for that term for a long time.
Then write your congress critter, I just did, and I'm from a totally dem state.
Tell them the "people of Massachusettes have spoken & they speak for the majority across the country!"
Tell them that their job is in jeaopardy just as much as the Kennedy seat & they are next to go!!
Yes, I was wondering when we all suddenly agreed with Obama that price controls on insurance was change we could believe in. Carter tried price controls on something else. We saw how that turned out.
Takes quite a bit of arrogance for the person who dismissed the will of the people to now decide what scaled back provisions we all agreed upon. I’d say someone that arrogant and out of touch has no business setting the cornerstone for any legislation to follow. That is one person’s opinion. Whether we can count on the Republicans to hold form....
There are acceptable measures people would accept that we could agree upn. Democrat’s might accept anything in desperation to score a legislative victory. Then again maybe theyy wouldn’t. If Republicans want to they can offer conservative lifelines and see if Dems bite. Aside from that, let them hang.
You're right, Repub leaders have proposed these reforms, and were rebuffed. I think they need to sell it, though. I'm a news junkie and rarely hear about market based reforms. They need to put it in a simple package and sell that package to the public. Speak it at every tea party, every TV interview, every article. The public should be as familiar with the term "health savings account" as they are with "public option".
I agree about no concessions. Every single Dem idea makes the problem worse.
It’s just so delicious.
I think Repubs should offer a simple package of actual reform to the Dems. If they reject it, which they probably would, the Repubs should be bold, stay on message, and win it in November.
Without the “help” of Republican’s. When and if that happens, the court challenges will begin immediately further wasting the time of the Congress and the American people. couldn’t think of a better thing for Congress to be doing, wasting time and money. It is what they do so well.
Obama said.......”that THE PEOPLE agree on.”
Since when was it about the people Bo?
Now the show will really begin..
He even had to steal this phrase....the People.. yea, right..
He’s actually starting to make Jimmy Carter look good.
EPIC FAILURE!!!!!!!
The following members of Congress are Marxists and terrorist coddlers who have rebranded themselves as “Progressives” in an attempt to hide their agenda
Nancy Pelosi was one of the original members of the “Congressional Progressive Caucus” and only left when she was named Minority Leader.
She is now Speaker of the House and 2 heartbeats away from President of the United States.
All members are members of the Democratic Party or caucus with the Democratic Party. There are currently 82 total declared Progressives including 79 voting Representatives, 2 non-voting Delegates, and 1 Senator.
[edit] Arizona
The “Congressional Progressive Caucus”:
* Ed Pastor (AZ-4, Phoenix)
* Raúl Grijalva (AZ-7, Tucson) - Co-Chair
[edit] California
* Lynn Woolsey (CA-6, Santa Rosa) - Co-Chair
* George Miller (CA-7, Richmond) - Chairman, House Education and Labor Committee
* Barbara Lee (CA-9, Oakland) - Chairwoman, Congressional Black Caucus
* Pete Stark (CA-13, Fremont)
* Michael Honda (CA-15, San Jose)
* Sam Farr (CA-17, Monterey)
* Henry Waxman (CA-30, Los Angeles) - Chairman, House Energy and Commerce Committee
* Xavier Becerra (CA-31, Los Angeles)
* Judy Chu (CA-32, El Monte)
* Diane Watson (CA-33, Los Angeles)
* Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34, Los Angeles)
* Maxine Waters (CA-35, Inglewood)
* Laura Richardson (CA-37, Long Beach)
* Linda Sanchez (CA-39, Lakewood)
* Bob Filner (CA-51, San Diego) - Chairman, House Veterans Affairs Committee
[edit] Colorado
* Jared Polis (CO-02, Boulder)
[edit] Connecticut
* Rosa DeLauro (CT-3, New Haven)
[edit] Florida
* Corrine Brown (FL-3, Jacksonville)
* Alan Grayson (FL-8, Orlando)
* Robert Wexler (FL-19, Boca Raton)
* Alcee Hastings (FL-23, Fort Lauderdale)
[edit] Georgia
* Hank Johnson (GA-4, Lithonia)
* John Lewis (GA-5, Atlanta)
[edit] Hawaii
* Neil Abercrombie (HI-1, Honolulu)
* Mazie Hirono (HI-2, Honolulu)
[edit] Illinois
* Bobby Rush (IL-1, Chicago)
* Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-2, Chicago Heights)
* Luis Gutierrez (IL-4, Chicago)
* Danny Davis (IL-7, Chicago)
* Jan Schakowsky (IL-9, Chicago)
* Phil Hare (IL-17, Rock Island)
[edit] Indiana
* André Carson (IN-7, Indianapolis)
[edit] Iowa
* Dave Loebsack (IA-2, Cedar Rapids)
[edit] Maine
* Chellie Pingree (ME-1, North Haven)
[edit] Maryland
* Donna Edwards (MD-4, Fort Washington)
* Elijah Cummings (MD-7, Baltimore)
[edit] Massachusetts
* John Olver (MA-1, Amherst)
* Jim McGovern (MA-3, Worcester)
* Barney Frank (MA-4, Newton) - Chairman, House Financial Services Committee
* John Tierney (MA-6, Salem)
* Ed Markey (MA-7, Malden)
* Mike Capuano (MA-8, Boston)
[edit] Michigan
* Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (MI-13, Detroit)
* John Conyers (MI-14, Detroit) - Chairman, House Judiciary Committee
[edit] Minnesota
* Keith Ellison (MN-5, Minneapolis)
[edit] Mississippi
* Bennie Thompson (MS-2, Bolton) - Chairman, House Homeland Security Committee
[edit] Missouri
* William Lacy Clay, Jr. (MO-1, St. Louis)
* Emanuel Cleaver (MO-5, Kansas City)
[edit] New Jersey
* Frank Pallone (NJ-06)
* Donald Payne (NJ-10, Newark)
[edit] New Mexico
* Ben R. Luján (NM-3, Santa Fe)
[edit] New York
* Jerry Nadler (NY-8, Manhattan)
* Yvette Clarke (NY-11, Brooklyn)
* Nydia Velazquez (NY-12, Brooklyn) - Chairwoman, House Small Business Committee
* Carolyn Maloney (NY-14, Manhattan)
* Charles Rangel (NY-15, Harlem) - Chairman, House Ways and Means Committee
* Jose Serrano (NY-16, Bronx)
* John Hall (NY-19, Dover Plains)
* Maurice Hinchey (NY-22, Saugerties)
* Louise Slaughter (NY-28, Rochester) - Chairwoman, House Rules Committee
* Eric Massa (NY-29, Corning)
[edit] North Carolina
* Mel Watt (NC-12, Charlotte)
[edit] Ohio
* Marcy Kaptur (OH-9, Toledo)
* Dennis Kucinich (OH-10, Cleveland)
* Marcia Fudge (OH-11, Warrensville Heights)
[edit] Oregon
* Earl Blumenauer (OR-3, Portland)
* Peter DeFazio (OR-4, Eugene)
[edit] Pennsylvania
* Bob Brady (PA-1, Philadelphia) - Chairman, House Administration Committee
* Chaka Fattah (PA-2, Philadelphia)
[edit] Tennessee
* Steve Cohen (TN-9, Memphis)
[edit] Texas
* Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18, Houston)
* Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30, Dallas)
[edit] Virginia
* Jim Moran (VA-8, Alexandria)
[edit] Vermont
* Peter Welch (VT-At Large)
[edit] Washington
* Jim McDermott (WA-7, Seattle)
[edit] Wisconsin
* Tammy Baldwin (WI-2, Madison)
* Gwen Moore (WI-4, Milwaukee)
[edit] Non-voting
* Donna M. Christensen (Virgin Islands)
* Eleanor Holmes Norton (District of Columbia)
[edit] Senate member
* Bernie Sanders (Vermont)
[edit] Former members
* Sherrod Brown (OH-13) - Elected to Senate
* Julia Carson (IN-07) - Died in December 2007
* Lane Evans (IL-17) - Retired from Congress
* Cynthia McKinney (GA-4) - Lost Congressional seat to current caucus member Hank Johnson
* Major Owens (NY-11) - Retired from Congress
* Nancy Pelosi (CA-8) - Left Caucus when Elected House Minority Leader
* Hilda Solis (CA-32) - Became Secretary of Labor in 2009
* Stephanie Tubbs Jones (OH-11) - Died in 2008
* Tom Udall (NM Senate)
* Paul Wellstone (MN Senate) - Died in plane crash in 2002
The Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) was established in 1991 by five members of the United States House of Representatives: Representatives Ron Dellums (D-CA), Lane Evans (D-IL), Peter DeFazio (D-OR), Maxine Waters (D-CA), and Bernie Sanders (I-VT). Then-Representative Bernie Sanders was the convener and first. The founding members were concerned about the economic hardship imposed by the deepening recession, the growing inequality brought about by the timidity of the Democratic Party response at the time.
Additional House representatives joined soon, including Major Owens (D-NY), Nydia Velazquez (D-NY), David Bonior (D-MI), Bob Filner (D-CA), Barney Frank (D-MA), Maurice Hinchey (D-NY), Jim McDermott (D-WA), Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Patsy Mink (D-HI), George Miller (D-CA), Pete Stark (D-CA), John Olver (D-MA), Lynn Woolsey (D-CA), and Nancy Pelosi (D-CA).
I personally don’t mind requiring insurance companies to cover everyone with pre-existing conditions. It might be bad policy, but I wouldn’t get too worked up about it.
Compare that to going to jail for not buying health insurance. I really had a problem with that.
Ideally, the Republicans would filibuster everything. But they haven’t been filibustering everything and they won’t now.
If the Dems did get the message from the Scott Brown victory and took apart all the bills they have in the pipeline and took out the half that the people don’t like they could get some things passed.
Yeah that vicious cycle thing would probably happen but, eh, it’s not as bad as the individual mandate.
If you work for a company, have a good job with good benefits, including health insurance, are you going to insist that you get rid of your own insurance because it might be more expensive in the future? Aren’t certain types of companies required to provide insurance to certain employees under certain conditions as it is?
What I’m saying is that there is a floor on the number of people who would stop buying insurance because they know they could just buy it when they get sick. Are governments going to stop providing insurance for their employees?
It seems pretty ok to me actually.
“requiring insurance companies to cover everyone with pre-existing conditions. It might be bad policy, but I wouldn’t get too worked up about it.
Compare that to going to jail for not buying health insurance”
That’s actually completely the wrong way around FRiend. The second one wouldn’t have happened. It stomps over the line so far, people would NOT have accepted it. The first one might, and would be a massive encroachment on the foundations of liberty.
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