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Cops Shop For New Cars After Ford Stops Making Crown Victoria
The Cap Times ^ | Thursday, January 14, 2010 | STEVEN ELBOW

Posted on 01/16/2010 6:15:13 AM PST by DogByte6RER

Cops shop for new cars after Ford stops making Crown Victoria

By STEVEN ELBOW

The Capital Times

Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:30 am

In the near future, you may not see that iconic Ford emblem you may have been unlucky enough to glimpse beneath the flashing red and blue lights in your rearview mirror. Local police are getting ready to move to new squad cars.

Ford announced last year that it’s ending production of the ubiquitous Crown Victoria Police Interceptor, which for nearly two decades has dominated the squad car market nationwide. The move will shake up the look of police car fleets as law enforcement agencies scramble to fill the gap.

Madison residents can expect to see several Dodge Chargers hit the road in February as police begin to explore their options. With their sleek design, the Chargers will be in stark contrast to the boxy fleet of Crown Vics.

“They’re definitely a sharp-looking car,” says Sgt. Eric Tripke of Madison’s traffic safety team.

While the department plans to keep an eye on the market and experiment with other models as they become available, there are few options in the short term.

“Right now, the only police package vehicle other than the Crown Victoria that’s out there that we thought would meet our needs is the Dodge Charger,” says Capt. Richard Bach, who heads up traffic services for the Madison Police Department.

That is likely to change as competition for the squad car market heats up.

Ford ended production of the consumer version of the Crown Victoria in 2007, and has been seeing increased competition in the police car market, leading to the decision to replace the aged workhorse with a new, yet-to-be-unveiled Police Interceptor in 2011.

The Dodge Charger is already scooping up market share while Chevrolet readies a revamped Caprice for a 2011 release. And newcomer Carbon Motors Corp. plans to produce the first car designed exclusively for police work, in 2012.

Carbon Motors’ futuristic cop car, now only a prototype, is generating a lot of buzz. It has a 300-horsepower clean diesel engine, an onboard voice-command computer with instant license plate recognition capability, shotgun mounts, an ergonomically designed driver’s seat that accommodates bulky utility belts and gun holsters, and even an option for detecting biological and radioactive weapons. It also reduces the ick factor that comes with transporting intoxicated passengers who tend to vomit or urinate inside the vehicle: it comes with a drain. And it is expected to have twice the estimated lifespan of the average police car.

The downside? The price, which is around $50,000. But Bach says the $21,500 Crown Vic actually costs about $46,000 by the time it’s outfitted with many of the accessories that will come standard with the Carbon Motors police car.

At just over $21,000 for a V-8 engine and $20,000 for a V-6, the prices of the Chargers are comparable with the Crown Victorias. The city has purchased its 10 new cars with a federal grant.

Whatever squad car Madison police officials pick for their entire fleet will be the successor to a long line of vehicles, which have included Ford Fairlanes, Plymouth Gran Furys and Dodge Diplomats as well as Chevy Impalas, Caprices and Novas, not all of them well-received by officers.

“I remember the Dodge Diplomats, and quite honestly they were a piece of junk,” Tripke says.

Bach says the department’s experiment a few years back with Ford Tauruses also was a failure, mainly because they were expensive to maintain. With the beating they took from officers hitting curbs, crossing medians and driving at high speeds, the front-wheel drive made for serious drive-train problems. Now, most law enforcement agencies will buy nothing but rear-wheel-drive squad cars.

Many departments, including those in New York City and Seattle, are experimenting with hybrids, both as patrol vehicles and for non-patrol officers such as command staff or detectives.

Monona Police Chief Walter Ostrenga went that route a year ago, buying a hybrid Toyota Camry for a detective’s use.

At more than $23,000, it was more than a Crown Victoria, but it gets 38 mpg in the city and Ostrenga says he hopes the car will last for 10 years. But he also says it isn’t suitable for patrol work because it’s not effective for high-speed pursuits.

“If we were just in the city and didn’t have to go out on the highway or the Beltline we might be able to pull it off,” he says.

With budget constraints in cities nationwide and uncertainty about the squad car market, many agencies have put off squad car purchases. But they can’t put them off for long.

Bach says the average lifespan of squad cars, which are driven hard and often run 24 hours a day, is three to four years. That means Madison’s entire fleet of about 120 pursuit-rated vehicles will change over by about 2013.

Facing similar circumstances, the Dane County Sheriff’s Office has already put five new Dodge Chargers in the hands of its traffic team, and so far deputies have given them a thumbs-up.

“I think it’s a great platform to work out of,” says Deputy Steve Mueller, who’s driven the model for about 18 months.

He says equipping the car was a challenge. A lot of police equipment, including things like passenger cages, shotgun mounts and radar mounts, were made specifically for Crown Vics, since they account for more than 75 percent of the police vehicle market. But once the equipment was in place, the Charger has performed well, displaying better handling and stability, not to mention comfort.

“Under performance situations, the car handles so well that it’s much easier to drive so we can concentrate more on the law enforcement duties we have to do and less on the driving,” he says. “It keeps us safer in that way.”

Despite the extra power of the hemi V-8 engine, Mueller says he’s seen about a 10 percent increase in fuel efficiency over the Crown Vic due to the fact that the hemi engines automatically shut down four cylinders when the car is idling, which is often.

But there are a couple of negatives. The passenger seat is cramped because police equipment situated in the center of the cab encroaches on it. It’s also more difficult to lock the car with the engine running. And there’s a delay when the car is put in reverse as the gears catch up, making it more time-consuming to make a Y-turn, which officers have to perform more often because the car has a wider turning radius than the Crown Vic.

Madison plans to put five Chargers on the road with V-6 engines and five with hemi V-8s. Tripke says that while he’s had the chance to drive one of the new cars, the traffic safety team is not included in the pilot project. The vehicles are being given to regular patrol officers because the department considers that a better indicator of how they will perform during typical use.

The V-8s are expected to have better durability and speed, which Tripke says is making some of his colleagues wish they were in the pilot project.

“There’s a lot of officers just itching to get behind the wheel of those Chargers, especially the hemis,” he says. “They’re going to be a good short-sprint vehicle.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automakers; autos; carporn; cars; cops; crownvictoria; ford; fordmotor; leo; police; policecars
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To: DogByte6RER

41 posted on 01/16/2010 6:46:38 AM PST by paulycy (The Liberals' DOUBLE-STANDARDS are HATE CRIMES.)
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To: Lurking in Kansas

I agree—the Chargers look very intimidating.


42 posted on 01/16/2010 6:47:05 AM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: DogByte6RER; happydogx2; SouthTexas; glock rocks; Pete-R-Bilt; NormsRevenge
Is there room in the smaller cars for coffee AND DONUTS...
43 posted on 01/16/2010 6:48:23 AM PST by tubebender (Some minds are like concrete Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: DogByte6RER

At least for Highway Patrol, this is the way to go

http://cache.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/HelloKittyTRFinalsmall.jpg


44 posted on 01/16/2010 6:51:01 AM PST by tlb
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To: Dr. Sivana

I have a Crown Vic with the “Sport” option and will be holding on to it. Just a very comfortable and dependable car with plenty of room in the cabin and the trunk. Too bad Ford stopped production.


45 posted on 01/16/2010 6:52:27 AM PST by Nakota
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To: RandallFlagg

I’ve been watching the old Adam-12 shows on Hulu. They did alright in a hopped-up Plymouth Fury.


46 posted on 01/16/2010 6:53:00 AM PST by Tom D. (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benj. Franklin)
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To: stevie_d_64
Sure, they look sharp, and they have somewhat the engine to keep up

Unless they're up against a chipped diesel. The look on the Hemi driver's face when getting beat by a dually is priceless.

47 posted on 01/16/2010 6:55:12 AM PST by 03A3
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To: 1rudeboy

I agree with you... To me, the only American car worth owning is the Corvette... That is the only exception... A v-8 hemi is nothing special, I can get just as much out of a six and with less weight... my proof? Take me on in an old 9-11 turbo...

But, since the auto companies and the government has ripped us off, I fail to see any sense in strenghthening the police state with fancy, expensive equipment... let them eat cake too...

They are all government employees, no longer caring about being peace officers, they are now just willing puppets to collect revenue...


48 posted on 01/16/2010 6:55:15 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: DogByte6RER


The last marked car I drove (not NYPD). I'm feeling a little old right now.
49 posted on 01/16/2010 6:56:42 AM PST by Gomez (killer of threads)
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Facing similar circumstances, the Dane County Sheriff’s Office has already put five new Dodge Chargers in the hands of its traffic team, and so far deputies have given them a thumbs-up.

However, can it promote Ladies Night as well as a Monaco?


50 posted on 01/16/2010 6:58:06 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: niteowl77

In 1970, had an accident in south Alabama. Highway patrolman showed up in a Javelin, 4 in floor, cool!


51 posted on 01/16/2010 6:59:57 AM PST by DaveArk
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To: DogByte6RER
Elwood: This was a bargain. I picked it up at the Mount Prospect City Police auction last spring. It's an old Mount Prospect Police Car. They were practically giving them away. Jake: Well, thank you pal, the day I get out of prison, my own brother picks me up in a police car.

[Fog horn and warning bell sounds.]

Elwood: You don't like it?

Jake: No, I don't like it.

[Elwood drives over a raising draw bridge.]

Jake: Car's got a lot of pick up.

Elwood: It's got a cop motor, a four hundred and forty cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspension, cop shocks, it was a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas. Whaddya say? Is it the new Blues Mobile or what?

Jake: Fix the cigarette lighter.

52 posted on 01/16/2010 7:00:06 AM PST by edpc (Those Lefties just ain't right)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Well, the Italian highway cops had that V-12 Lambo, but they totaled it.


53 posted on 01/16/2010 7:00:41 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 03A3
Unless they're up against a chipped diesel. The look on the Hemi driver's face when getting beat by a dually is priceless.

The look on their face when I overtake them both in a twenty year old, in-line, twin cam 6 cylinder is even better... especially when I continue around a sharp corner without slowing down...

54 posted on 01/16/2010 7:03:00 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Tribune7
Oh, yeah!

Just to look in your rear view mirror and see the word “INTERCEPTOR” would be enough to make you pee yourself in fear...LOL!

The word is just so....nonnegotiable.

55 posted on 01/16/2010 7:05:03 AM PST by Salamander (Hold on to all your fears 'cause when I get outta here, vengeance is mine, mine, mine!)
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To: 1raider1; mono
Most police professionals agree the 1994-96 Chevy Caprices were the best police package vehicles ever made to date. I own a 1995 and it is absolutely bullet proof and gets almost 25 mpg on the highway.

Could you please give us the source for your claim?

I am not the original poster. I did buy my wife a '94 Caprice wagon. It has the Corvette engine, it STILL gets 24 mpg highway (fair weather), carries 8 or 9 passengers, depending on size of kids, and has the front split bench that cops like for laying out their gear. I am not a lead foot, but when I stomp on the gas to pass, it hauls. Of course, ours wouldn't have the police suspension, which is fine by me. But if a cop wants room to put his stuff, mount a radar gun, wait comfortably when needed, and go fast when needed, it is a fine choice. It is ugly (ours is named "Wilma" after the old Cap'n Crunch Vanilly Crunch whale.) Most cars today are ugly.

56 posted on 01/16/2010 7:05:16 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: IbJensen

Fiat: A car because we say so!


57 posted on 01/16/2010 7:05:44 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE JUST STAND CLOSER! * IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I have a Mercury Grand Marquis.

That makes two of us. My own personal value of the car went to the moon two years ago after a trip across Wyoming in some of the worst weather I have experienced. Solid ice from border to border, with whiteouts every fifty miles just to keep things interesting. White knuckle driving at its worst. Had four wheel drive vehicles spinning out in front of us trucks departing the highway all around us, and fortunately we didn’t get caught up in someone else’s disaster. The car is rock solid on ridged and rough ice.


58 posted on 01/16/2010 7:06:25 AM PST by wita
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To: DogByte6RER

59 posted on 01/16/2010 7:06:40 AM PST by Peter Horry (Those who aren't responsible always know best.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Well, the Italian highway cops had that V-12 Lambo, but they totaled it.

Nothing handles like a Ferrari... that's their fault... they should have known better...

60 posted on 01/16/2010 7:06:55 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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