Posted on 01/11/2010 12:47:03 PM PST by Red Steel
It is my best guess that Obama’s attorneys figured that once Judge Carter dismissed it was over… far from it! Orly has come back with a strong offense. For sure the Justice Department (Obama, et al) is doing its best to stop Judge Carter from approving the transfer to Judge Lamberth in Washington DC. Orly filed a nice response to their opposition.
Below are some highlighted excerpts from the filing:
Orly has pointed out that Judge Carter promised to hear the case on its merits. The Justice Department defending Obama conned the Judge into dismissing and used the excuse of “jurisdiction” claiming only Quo Warranto can be brought in Washington DC.
Orly said, “fine, let’s move the case.” She is asking Judge Carter to move the case to Judge Lamberth’s court in DC. This would serve to best expedite the case, including discovery.
Orly is making sure that Judge Carter is aware of the fact that the Justice Department and Eric Holder have been stalling for many months now. An original Quo Warranto was filed in Judge Taylor’s Washington DC court (he has since retired.. couldn’t stand the heat in my opinion).. that was back in March, 2009. The Justice Department has done everyting in its power to stall, hide, ignore the case..
Orly is telling the Judge that the longer he waits to allow “we the people” to seek justice in court the more damage that Obama does to our Country. The Justice Department is basically defending a Usuper in office.. the entire system appears to be corrupt.. of course, Eric Holder is simply a puppet for Obama.
We hope and pray that Judge Carter allows this case to be transferred.. Obama will have a much tougher time getting the case dismissed in Washington DC if Carter allows the transfer.. Any kind of ruling against Obama will set a precedent that could literally force the Court into action.
That's pretty funny there. Of course the good doc from HI has the authority to declare ole' Barry a "natural-born American citizen."
Of course, no one can make anyone believe an official statement from the State of Hawaii and I don't expect that many (who don't like the answer from them) will accept it.
But, that's what they have said, officially, nonetheless... :-)
And for the vast majority of the public (consisting of both conservatives and liberals), they will take the agency who produces the very form, the certified copy -- as having a whole lot more credibility than some posters online... LOL...
I mean, what do you expect, they are the ones who have all the original information in their documentation and they are the ones who issue any "certified copies"... :-)
Sure, didn't you know the good doc has the power to make Ozero's dad a US Citizen posthumously and retroactively.
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"Star Traveler: The problem with that -- as it pertains to the State of Hawaii and to that department -- is that they are the only ones who make up certified copies of a person's birth certificate (in that state).
Garbage In Garbage Out. It's very likely the problem with Obama's birth certificate. Explained and repeated below.
Star Traveler So, if you're saying that the only agency who can actually prove where Obama is born -- has information that cannot be trusted -- then you're basically saying that there is no way you'll ever know (no matter what) where Obama was born -- because there is no other place to get a certified copy of the birth certificate... LOL...
You've got a real problem there, I would say... :-)
What I said in my prior post is clear, but you like to distort what I said. For the millionth time, Obama could show some honesty and authorize Hawaii to release his BC for the public to see. Carefully parsed and measured statements from Hawaii are not good enough.
Here is what was said in its entirety that you distorted:
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"Star Traveler : And since it's the State of Hawaii who produces any certified birth certificate for someone who requests it there -- that means that they do know what they're talking about (I mean, they keep, maintained and certify the birthplace...).
That's all I have to know...
She does not understand the concept of Garbage In you get Garbage Out or GIGO for short. An old computer programming term about if the data being processed or inputted is bad the output will also be garbage.
I told her a DoH bureaucrat from Hawaii is not an impartial person to decide about Obama's birth records as legit in this case because they may have motives to hide flaws about their system.
As an example, as you know, Hawaii accepted statements from any person who said they witnessed the birth of a baby in Hawaii. A big red flag that calls out for abuse. If that's the case with Obama, it would blow him out of the water. So Hawaii is likely taking what their records say about Obama at face value even if they have suspicions now it's bogus information - they won't mention any concerns publicly and they'll state the opposite.
Other ignorance on display is lack of simple logical inference from them. If Obama was born in a Hawaiian hospital, there is no reason for Obama not to authorize Hawaii to release his long form birth certificate to the public. The After-Birthers will do anything not to acknowledge this. It's absurdity on display." "
Now that’s 2 for 2 — dismissive comment about Sarah Palin on another thread and a nasty comment about Orly on this one. What is your agenda?
Yeah, and that 'official' statement is about as deceit-free as your Bible Scholar offerings at FR.
Are you saying that the officials at the State of Hawaii were holding a Bible study, while issuing the following statement? ... LOL...
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
You were saying ...
Garbage In Garbage Out. It's very likely the problem with Obama's birth certificate. Explained and repeated below.
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Here is what was said in its entirety that you distorted:
No distortion here... I'm simply stating what the reality of the situation is. First you have this "reality". This is what the State of Hawaii said...
STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
Given that reality, from the statement from the State of Hawaii, and from the very person in the department in that state that takes care of those records and who also creates the "certified copy" for the relevant people who ask for it (or when a court orders it) -- I would say that there's no distortion of understanding here...
If you're asking from that same department of the State of Hawaii to produce a certified copy -- for which they just said that statement above, officially and for the public -- and then you say that as far as their statement is concerned it's "garbage in garbage out" -- but I want the certified copy that they also produce -- then I would say that you've got a problem with reality here... LOL...
That's so apparent that you've seem to miss it... you want the very copy that they produce, but you don't want what they officially say about Obama...
That sounds more like you don't want to accept what they already know and have on record, more than anything else.
BHO stated in his autobiography that he is NOT a natural born citizen because his father was a British subject. What part of “natural-born” do you not understand? It means that you were born to two US CITIZEN parents. Not one.
I completely agree that both parents are required to be citizens for one to be NBC (including being born "on soil").
However, any idea WHY that needs to be so?
It's so that the parents can NOT "convey" their foreign citizenship onto their children. The parents aren't the one's trying to run, or that obtain, the office of the Presidency. It's the children who grow up to. Those same children that would be born with divided loyalties is what the framers wanted to protect against. And that's exactly what happened here.
So the question isn't, how can Barry's father who was never a citizen have a son who can never be NBC because he (Sr.) was a foreigner?
The question is:
HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?
The former argument can lead to years of debate. The later question has yet to be "justified" or answered in any way shape or form by anyone so far as I know.
Items remaining:
1. Check mail
2. Feed dog
3. Wash dishes
4. Replace breaker for porch
5. Make dinner
That's about it.
Are you going to help or something?
You completely distort. The "reality" is what you ignore.
Chop, chop.
And since she has no authority to make such a declaration, it is...therefore, officially meaningless.
It’s a hard job.
Those windmills are BIG and TALL and INANIMATE.
Your comments do not address any course of action she has taken, they are personal insults to her.
Other than her shrill voice and amusing lunacy.
This doesn't really sound like a comment that addresses the status of any road that she is on, now does it? It sounds to me like you don't like her, and that it gives you pleasure to mock her. If you don't have any meaningful comments to add on the subject of Orly Taitz, then I suggest you sit down and STFU.
Is that a problem for you?
Colorado also uses the same form. My original "long form" has been lost and when I needed a replacement, I received by mail a stamped, certified computer-generated short form identical in format to the "factcheck" BC and this is what I used to enlist in the military, get my passport and get married. For whatever reason, the State Department requires long forms from only those born in Texas and California.
You completely distort. The "reality" is what you ignore.
It's really difficult to distort the following official statement from the State of Hawaii...
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
And it's difficult to distort the fact that John McCain and Sarah Palin did not raise the issue during the election. In addition, it's kind of hard to distort the fact that the entire Congress certified the Electoral College vote last year when they all met in session for that purpose. And it's kind of hard to distort the fact that Vice President Cheney, who was there, too... did not raise any objections to Obama's candidacy or his qualifications to be President of the United States.
And it's kind of hard to distort the fact that President George Bush did not challenge the candidacy of someone who was not qualified to be President according to the Constitution, when he is charged with upholding the Constitution in his office as President.
It's kind of hard to distort the fact that the Supreme Court did not issue any order to stop the Electoral College vote, nor the certification of it, nor the swearing in of Obama, nor him taking office -- all which was asserted by some FReepers here (at the time) that the Supreme Court would do.
So, far, I don't see that I'm distoring any "reality" ... here... LOL...
British law applies within their jurisdiction. We, (the US,) told them in 1776 to take a hike.
Their law doesn't apply here, just as we, (the US,) have no power to make laws effective in Great Britain. They'd tell us to go pound sand.
Only our law, (The Constitution,) applies here.
Then Obama should have no problem showing that short form COLB he put online to a court to end this matter, but he does have a problem.
Colorado also uses the same form. My original "long form" has been lost and when I needed a replacement, I received by mail a stamped, certified computer-generated short form identical in format to the "factcheck" BC and this is what I used to enlist in the military, get my passport and get married. For whatever reason, the State Department requires long forms from only those born in Texas and California.
Okay, that's good to know...
And so it appears that the "short form"/"long form" issue is a tempest in a teapot... :-)
Then Obama should have no problem showing that short form COLB he put online to a court to end this matter, but he does have a problem.
I guess we'll see when a court asks him to do that...
Do you have any idea when that will be happening, as I see some people have been waiting here, for that, for about a year or so... :-)
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