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To: Stoat

I too wuld not have stopped for an alarm-I’d let the store folks call the police if they desired while I go about my business. My right from unreasonable search and seizure applies to the authorities, not a proprietor. Store employees, security or otherwise, may not control my actions w/o my permission, which I nor any reasonable person should not give.

If the store alarm system is not operated properly, that is not my problem. As a law-abiding, moral person, I would not have stolen anything and I check my receipt before leaving a cashier to insure all the items I purchased are on the receipt..

The idiot went way wrong by a) returning to the store for whatever reason, b) assaulting the store employee, even worse since the victim was an elder person-meant to be respected, not assaulted.


26 posted on 12/29/2009 4:27:49 PM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret) "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Manly Warrior

Manly, I can’t believe your naive enough to believe Skyler didn’t have stolen property on his person. I would bet the farm he threw the goods down in the parking lot before he returned to the store. Stop taking up for these turds.


47 posted on 12/29/2009 5:08:04 PM PST by kempo
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To: Manly Warrior

So you think it’s better that a person be allowed to steal, than an employee at the store be able to take a simple look inside the bag he’s carrying.

LMAO, I’m kind of sorry for ya it that’s all the better you can do on this one.


56 posted on 12/29/2009 5:55:33 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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To: Manly Warrior
Your on the store's property, the alarm goes off even falsely, you refuse to stop and show a receipt. Great way to show what big guys you are, then you get to spend the next couple of hours explaining the whole thing nicely to the LEO. Or if you don't want to explain it nicely to the LEO then you get to explain it nicely to the Judge.

Smart like rutabaga.

61 posted on 12/29/2009 6:10:09 PM PST by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: Manly Warrior
Store employees, security or otherwise, may not control my actions w/o my permission,

You of course are INCORRECT. In common law and statutory law (for some/many states) Merchant or Shopkeeper's Privilege is fairly well established and they may control you for short periods, assuming they have reasonable cause. It's not always black or white (giving myself wiggle room)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopkeeper%27s_privilege

64 posted on 12/29/2009 6:17:49 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Manly Warrior

Not in Florida. The Legislature has deemed the alarm system to be sufficient probable cause to make the stop reasonable, not unreasonable. And if you did resist and could not prove a receipt for everything on your person, you’d face a first degree misdemeanor charge.


75 posted on 12/30/2009 4:36:53 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("'Diversity' is one of those words designed to absolve you of the need to think." Mark Steyn)
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