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To: DoughtyOne; Bokababe
I’m not as well able to discuss the Libertarian party vs the civil Libertarians, so I won’t try.

Not to knock the thread off course, but I would suggest that you have a sit-down with Bokababe sometime. She is a brilliant and well reasoned spokeswoman for the civil libertarian folks. I had a great conversation with her a while back that was cut short by my absence (a conversation that I intend to finish one day). While I can predict that you won't agree with her perfectly, I can think of no one better to explain the structural philosophy of the civil libertarians, and the differences between them, the Libertarian party, and those of us who support Reagan Conservatism. I will also submit that you will find yourself far closer to their point of view than any other single faction wrt governance.

Thus my support for the Tea Party folks.

Absolutely.

[...] The Free Trade issue that you touched on is important to me. This global downturn had one interesting effect didn’t it. It’s the one thing that could be a dent in China’s plans to become the global hegemon. And I still believe it only slowed the process.

I am with you 100%. And it is another reason I am suspicious of Palin. I view her fund-raising trip to Hong Kong with a dire sense of foreboding.

The Baker boys didn’t seem to have a problem with that at all. That angered me something fierce. One day, we will face China straight up. Our kids will die due to the treachery I have seen. That’s been my premise since around 1993.

Duncan Hunter is deadly, right on the money with regard to China, and so are you. Globalism is by far the greatest threat to America, and the whole world. And before they're done, our kids WILL die because of it. Not over there. Over HERE.

Whoever our next president is, they need to go to Washington with a meat cleaver. When about 90% of the infrastructure back there is rotting on the cutting room floor, we’ll be back on sound footing, and not a day before.

Frankly, I don't think that will happen. Unless the TEA parties create a huge blowout of true Conservatism (God willing), I think it's all done. We are closing in on $100T in debt, with no end in sight - And both political parties are in the pocket of the globalists.

Since most folks are ignorant to what them Bakerite fellers are, and what they're doing, they'll figure we're saved when the Republicans come roaring back. What they don't get is that it will just be the other leg of the Washington establishment taking another stride.

By the time they're done, the folks will realize that the only thing that can save them is the Conservative principles they have been sneering at... but by then it will be too late.

398 posted on 12/17/2009 12:51:02 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: roamer_1

Thanks for the comments. I can see a lot of room for agreement with them.

If you have a link to a thread where you exchanged views with Bokababe, I’d enjoy reviewing it.


403 posted on 12/17/2009 1:03:40 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Sick and tired of reading new information sure to hurt Tiger Woods' wife and kids. ENOUGH AREADY!)
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To: roamer_1; DoughtyOne
"Not to knock the thread off course, but I would suggest that you have a sit-down with Bokababe sometime. She is a brilliant and well reasoned spokeswoman for the civil libertarian folks..."

Roamer, you are too kind! You must have figured out it was my birthday ;)

In all honesty, the debate with Roamer was the best one I have ever had on FR -- no egos, just respectfully arguing issues with reason and insights. We agreed on most of the goals, but had different ways of getting there. I bookmarked the thread here.

Roamer arrived on this thread as the intelligent, calming voice of sanity in what was otherwise a political mudslinging free-for-all.

428 posted on 12/17/2009 4:06:54 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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