Posted on 12/11/2009 5:57:16 PM PST by Jim Robinson
Free Republic is a fringe right-wing Christian fundamentalist site... or so they say... and they might even be right.
We don't go for any of that godless left-wing big government socialist malarkey. And we do put our faith and trust in God, not government. We are pro-God, pro-Life, pro-Family, pro-Country and pro-Liberty.
We do not believe that government or science knows what's best for us or our children. We will make our own decisions thank you very much.
Every once in a while some group of posters get together and try to bend Free Republic to their will. Now, we tend to be pretty free-wheeling around here and will take a lot of guff and a lot of obnoxious insults from a lot of people, but eventually a breaking point is reached.
For example, when a group of RINO lovers recently banded together to try to force FR to accept an abortionist/gay rights RINO as our presidential candidate, they soon found themselves on the outs.
And a few years ago a group of evolutionists tried to force FR over to their way of thinking and they soon found themselves on the outs.
FR is a pro-God, pro-Creator, pro-Life, pro-Liberty site.
And now we have yet another group of Darwinists trying to have their Darwinist way with us. Well, as I've said before what doesn't kill us will only make us stronger.
Darwin Central has again declared war on FR. They have ping lists and email lists and will try to pull away as many FReepers as they possibly can. So be it. Those who would rather go with Darwin, please go. I sure as hell won't try to stop you.
FR will remain a pro-God, pro-Life, pro-Liberty, pro-Creator conservative site.
We wholeheartedly believe that our unalienable rights are a gift from God our Creator not from man or government. And no man, no government will ever deprive us of same.
Keep your powder dry.
I always believed it but never thought it through.
Even if Mary was conceived sinless, why is it so important that she had remained a virgin all her life? Sex within the confines of marriage is not a sin.
Don't expect an honest exploration of differing perspectives or the inclusion of Theistic Evolution and Intelligent Design in with the really, truely, honest-to-God Consdervative Christians by the Young Earth Creationists. They have an us-versus-them approach to samvation and behave like there are only a limited number of seats in Heaven reserved only for those who believe exactly the way they do. Disagree and you will be bullied, insulted and threatened while they stand on the abuse button.
There is a reason they continue to hijack News/Activism threads instead of conducting these discussions in the Religion Forum. The Religion Forum requires a higher level of civility and decorum.
Plaid with paisley pastels.
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No they were chartreuse with lavender polka dots and I’ll fight anyone who says different ::: balls up fists:::
I have no problem believing guns are good, abortion is bad, taxes are bad, we need to close the border, etc. But when you ask me to believe wild, crazy things like different races can come from two original people, that’s when you lose me (or rather, I guess that’s when I’m ordered to leave).
Pardon me if I don’t share you particular faith.
The founders were for the most part, Deiists. NOT Evangelicals. NOT Social Conservatives.
Here’s a thought: where DOES it say ANYTHING about the form of society in either the Declaration of Independence, OR the Constitution ??
Hint: it doesn’t. And religion has little to do with our Government, that’s why a State Church was EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.
I act, personally, in ways you would likely have no quarrel with. But I do it out of personal virtue, and developed morals, NOT out of Society or the Law compelling me to do so . . .
“Mary must have been conceived immaculate.”
How was Mary conceived immaculate? We her parents without sin?
This is a sincere question as I don’t understand it.
//”Evo’s” should distance themselves from Athiests//
Actually its the atheists & agnostics (or genuine atheists) who should distance themselves from Evos IMO. And in fact there are several genuine atheists on the FR who have done just that.
I have seen abuse on both sides so I would suggest that we not stereotype (not the word I am looking for). I have been nothing but civil to you and you to me.
I smell a pantload.
Anyone who believes this is a fundy site is sorely mistaken. Right wing...maybe. I’ve been posting here forever... well not as forever as petronski. They’re wrong wrong wrong. Thanks for the ping.
What a crock, this country was founded by what are now known as religious nuts or “fringe, right wing Christian fundamentalists”.
You don’t even know what my particular faith is.
The country was social conservative in ways that many modern Americans cannot imagine, the people that formed this nation would be lynching these anti social conservatives and their “abortion rights” and their “gay marriage” and their “pornography” and their “eliminating school prayer” nut cases of today.
I'm going to accept the "even if" comment as rhetorical. The Cathecism states:
508 From among the descendants of Eve, God chose the Virgin Mary to be the mother of his Son. "Full of grace", Mary is "the most excellent fruit of redemption" (SC 103): from the first instant of her conception, she was totally preserved from the stain of original sin and she remained pure from all personal sin throughout her life.
509 Mary is truly "Mother of God" since she is the mother of the eternal Son of God made man, who is God himself.
510 Mary "remained a virgin in conceiving her Son, a virgin in giving birth to him, a virgin in carrying him, a virgin in nursing him at her breast, always a virgin" (St. Augustine, Serm. 186, 1: PL 38, 999): with her whole being she is "the handmaid of the Lord" (Lk 1:38).
511 The Virgin Mary "cooperated through free faith and obedience in human salvation" (LG 56). She uttered her yes "in the name of all human nature" (St. Thomas Aquinas, STh III, 30, 1). By her obedience she became the new Eve, mother of the living.
I had to run out earlier and was going to get back to it then.
My question would be; if evolution can be seen as an effective method to provide variety among species, and the necessary change that lets them survive and prosper with challenge and time, then why cannot evolution be seen as an efficient method to design various creatures and entities?
It depends on what you mean by *evolution*. Allowing for variation within species which is a component of evolution, is not the same as adding information and complexity to evolve the organism or species.
A method that's efficient for maintaining something is not always efficient for building it. It would take more energy and work to build than maintain.
Allowing for variation within species to adapt to a range of environments would also require some stability. That would make it more difficult for building with the intent to change.
Of course, there's always the problem of the information contained within the DNA and where it came from. Using it for evolution would require adding information. Variation within species would need a set amount of information to work with.
I don't know if that is what you were thinking of with that question. I'll need to think about that more if you want more answer.
491 - Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" through God, was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854: The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.
FWIW, you do know that I copied and pasted that comment I was responding to and just added the *ouch* comment, don’t you?
I know evos are not necessarily the same as atheists. Not all evolutionists are atheists, but atheists are, by default, evolutionists. Since they don’t believe in a deity, there is not much opportunity for creation without evolution.
The worst of the evolutionists in behavior towards the creationists have tended to be from the atheistic ones. There have been exceptions, but as a rule, they have a bone to pick about God or with God, and tend to be the most vociferous in their attacks against creationism and Christians with the ridicule and derision.
I suppose in some perverse way your self congratulatory rants make you feel better. So rave on if it helps with your therapy. You might throw in some contrition while you are at it. You will find it is much better for the soul.
With an attitude like yours, an honest discussion isn't possible.
You've sabotaged it already.
If God can do that for Mary then why couldn’t He have done that for Jesus. You said a few posts earlier that if Mary had sinned then Jesus couldn’t be born without original sin. That is what I was trying to understand. Thanks for your reply.
There is a lot to be said for civility and reciprocity. Thank you for both.
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