Posted on 12/08/2009 12:18:05 PM PST by vharlow
The Post & Email can confirm this afternoon, that Attorneys Leo Donofrio and Steven Pidgeon are representing a group of Chrysler Automotive dealers in seeking legal redress to their loss of their franchises following the direct and unconstitutional involvement of Barack Hussein Obama in the Chrysler reorganization.
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Ok.
To recap then, a “natural born citizen” is to be born IN the United States (or within the jurisdiction of the United States) to 2 parents who are BOTH U.S. citizens.
Is THIS correct?
Settle down man, I’m on YOUR SIDE! Trust me. I want to see that man OUT of the WH asap!
I’m trying to get an understanding of what the Heck is the definition of a “natural born citizen.”
YOu can ask that question here and get a multitude of answers! GO ahead, ask and see what comes up.
To your picture, Remember this was not the real oath of office because for some reason it was performed wrong and had to be re preformed in the dark of night with no camera’s. So
all is not what it seams quite often.
LOL. ROFL. HAHAHAHAHA!
It's nice to see the afterbirther Obots joining the fray.
By the way, my brother was born in California to TWO (2) (dos) parents who were NOT US citizens, and he understands quite well that he is a CITIZEN, but not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. He knows that he can NEVER be president.
You trolls sure provide us a good amount of entertainment. Love it! ;-)
We have standing...
Now the sticky part - getting past the ugly, blatant conflict of interest with Holder's DOJ.
Leo and his collaborators need our prayers -- we need to pray for their safety. I still hearken back to the dark days of Vince Foster. Of course, the internet is a far more powerful force nowadays, and it's a bit more difficult for the evil to triumph. The Truth, as always, will prevail...
Plus, 7:30 in the evening is hardly “the dark of night...”
Finally, there are several pictures of the event.
Your son is not a natural born citizen as understood by the founders at the time the Constitution was written and ratified. Nor am I (born in Canada). Nor is Barack Obama (non-citizen father, born ???). Nor is John McCain (born in Panama).
We are all given our citizenship per act of Congress because we could as easily claim another country. (Canada, Nigeria & Britain, Panama) I’ve accepted that I am precluded from holding the office since I was a small child (it was actually fun to tell the third grade school teacher she was wrong with great confidence when she insisted I can be or do anything I wanted when I got older, even president).
I’m really glad he cleared that up for everyone.
Since neither the Supreme Court nor the Congress nor the Constitution has declared a clear definition of natural born citizen, I am really happy to hear your brother has solved this vexing issue for everyone.
Because my son is governed by the U.S. Constitution and the laws of the United States, not fictional birther lunacy.
There's nothing to solve. The British citizenship of the Founding Fathers' parents is the reason they exempted themselves from the Natural Born requirement. TWO parents of United States citizenship (not necessarily Natural Born) are required for a US citizen to also be a Natural Born Citizen.
Do you honestly think they would have wanted "anchor babies" to be president? The real possibility of a CIC with divided loyalties would have been suicide for this fledgling new nation. Think man, think!
No.
The "two U.S. citizen parent" requirement to be Natural Born is nothing more than a fictional device created specifically to be a standard of eligibility that Obama could not possibly meet. It is found nowhere in the U.S. Constitution or any established legal precedent.
See post #28. That's a photo of the Chief Justice of the highest court in the land administering the Oath of Office to a man whose foreign father is a matter of public record. That man in the black robe knows more about the Constitution than anyone on this forum does.
His poll numbers are cratering because he's incompetent and unfit to lead. Birther foolery deflecting attention from his real failures is the only good thing he's got going on right now. That's why he's letting the issue stay alive by not volunteering his BC. That's why Palin backpedaled her barely pro-birther sentiments as soon as the words left her mouth. That's why Fox won't touch the issue (but CNN and MSNBC will gladly give Orly air time).
So keep it up! Obama is counting on you guys.
Do I think they wanted “anchor babies” to be President? I have no clear idea, but given the transportation of the time, I doubt they would have considered the concept at all. But again, my opinion is moot.
Also, we are no longer a fledging nation (fortunately).
But perhaps most important, is that the original Consititution is NOT the law the land. The existing Constitution is, which includes 27 amendments (I am particularly grateful for the 21st). The 14th amendment is equal to the “intent of the framers”, as that is how our Constitution works. The 14th, among other things, clarified who is a citizen, and like it or not even “anchor babies” are citizens...that is simply a fact..
Did it specifically declare who is a “natural born citizen?” No.
Did it specifically delineate between natural/native/naturalized? No.
But neither has a subsequent amendment, an act of Congress or a ruling by the Supreme Court with any degree of certainty. We may all have opinions on the matter, but under current law (common and statutory) the only two types of citizenship are native and naturalized.
I also am surprised you think that it was the PARENTS of the founding fathers that made them require such language the determining factor. That claims is utterly without foundation. They simply wanted Americans (a citizenship born with their adoption of the Constitution) to be President, not naturalized citizens. There is no foundation to your claim that they were concerned about where parents were from....after all they were all English subjects, and I have no reason to think they gave any thought to where their parents were from.
Lastly, I am surprised that some of us conservatives think that what another country (British, Kenyan, etc) laws say about the status of our citizens somehow trumps our native laws. If the nation of France declared George Bush a citizen, would that then make him ineligible to have been President? I, for one, don’t think international law, or more specifically laws or recognitions passed by any other country, trump our own laws. Sounds like UN BS to me.
Why is is that you afterbirthers have such a problem differentiating between "Citizen" and "Natural Born Citizen?" Honestly - why do you all have these "issues?"
The 14th Amendment says NOTHING about the uniqueness of what a Natural Born Citizen is. Not a word.
By the way I was not born in the USA -- I am a naturalized Citizen. With your skewed logic (with no difference between Citizen and NBC) I am eligible to be president because I am a US citizen. I say to you, "hogwash!"
Comprehension is not your strong point, is it? Don't feel bad. The inability to understand even the most simplest of explanations seems to be a common trait among birthers.
When the constitution was drafted, you were either a citizen or not, there was no DUAL citizenship. You either became American or you went back to England.
Thanks to a corrupt Congress for the past 1/2 century, dual citizenship has been allowed and somehow they have let it morf so the general public does no know the real truth as to US citizenship.Even S Res 511, the bill Obama sponsored says NBC is one born to 2 citizen parents.
Also, you claim that every one knows Obama’s father was a foreigner, I beg to differ. Obama’s father was constantly touted as an immigrant during the campaign and to this day the media does not correct it.
This is the real truth, no matter how much it hurts.
Ah yes, stated quite eloquently -- considering of course this statement is coming straight from the keyboard of an afterbirther Obot troll who wouldn't know a usurper from a ukelele...
But what does that have to do with the illegal taking of Chrysler dealerships?
Wow. Sorry all for screwing up the HTML on that last post
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