The Rev. Canon Mary D. Glasspool
Posted on 12/05/2009 4:29:16 PM PST by Fenhalls555
The worldwide Anglican Church has been plunged into a fresh crisis after a lesbian was chosen as its second gay bishop.
In a move that will dismay the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, Canon Mary Glasspool was elected as an assistant bishop for the diocese of Los Angeles.
The Rev Rod Thomas, the leader of the conservative evangelical group Reform and a member of the General Synod, said: ‘I feel deeply ashamed that this is happening in the Anglican Church.
‘I think a schism is absolutely inevitable.’
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Sorry NYer. I menat to hit stylecoucilor in #31.
Amen!
Where do you think you got that Bible you worship? Do you think it just dropped from heaven? Nope. It was collated by the Catholic Church. Sola Scriptura? Phui.
The Rev. Canon Mary D. Glasspool
Also busy with AGW:
“LONDON - Thousands of people calling for a deal on climate change at next week’s United Nations conference in Copenhagen marched through central London on Saturday....
“The coalition — which includes groups such as Oxfam, Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth and the WWF — called the protest “The Wave, ... “
“Archbishop’s prayer
“Ahead of the march through central London, Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams offered prayers for negotiators in Copenhagen and urged people not to listen to those who say there’s a choice between “looking after human beings and looking after the Earth.
“’If we make ourselves a bit less comfortable, if we draw back from a little bit of our space and liberty so that others may have the space and comfort they need for life, thank God,’Williams said.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34288682/ns/us_news-environment/
“mr. rogers thinks he’s s theological scholar...I’m just becoming very tired of self promoting “theologians” attacking my individual walk with Christ and the specific tenets of my Church.”
I suggest you get a refund from your mind reading school. As I have pointed out a number of times, including to the person (NYer) who pinged me to this thread, I think I’m a retired Electronic Warfare Officer. The ping inviting my comment suggested that this affair in the Episcopal church in some way shows that the Reformation was wrong. I have responded.
I don’t know of any Christian who denies Jesus instituted the Eucharist at the Last Supper. All Protestants, in some form, deny transubstantiation, which is the doctrine the Catholic Church developed. Baptists and some other denominations deny the Eucharist needs a priest to perform it, since there were no priests found in the Apostolic teaching. That isn’t quite correct - there is a universal priesthood taught by Peter and Paul, that offers a sacrifice of praise and good deeds, but that isn’t what transubstantiation and Catholic Priests are involved in doing...
“The Church built upon the “Rock” Peter the 1st Pope”
The Church is built on Jesus Christ, and the teachings of the Apostles and Prophets. If Jesus planned to make Peter the “Vicar of Christ”, it would have helped if he hadn’t denied that any Apostle was the ‘greatest’, and it would have helped if he had referred to Peter as above the rest. In essence, it was the Bishop of Rome claiming to be above all other bishops that caused the church under Rome to break away from the rest of Christianity around 1000 AD.
“Purgatory actually is from Old Testament books the Reformers removed from the Apostolic bible.”
No, there is one mention of prayer for the dead commended in the Apocrypha. The Apocrypha was sort of accepted as canon in 400 AD, but MOST refused to use it for doctrine. That is the practice of the Orthodox today, and was common opinion in the time of Martin Luther. The Protestants reject it as scripture because “16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.” - 2 Tim 3 By the standard widely used in Catholic thought thru 1500 AD, and used by the Orthodox, this would make the Apocrypha something other than scripture.
“Believe it or not some of the 15th century Reformers actually removed the Book of James for a period of time because he intimated works were necessary for salvation...”
Inaccurate. Martin Luther questioned the canon of James based on authorship, just as he also questioned Hebrews. That was acceptable in the Catholic Church at the time, since the canon wasn’t set authoritatively for Catholics until the Council of Trent a few years later. However, every New Testament translated by Luther had James and Hebrews included. IN fact, his questions were raised in his introductions to those books in his translation of the New Testament!
“The earliest new testament books didn’t even exist until late in the first century... and early Christians practiced their faith based upon Christ instituted Apostolic worship... the first gospels weren’t even written until after 60 AD.”
The first writings that were accepted as scripture on par with the Old Testament were probably Paul’s letters (45-65 AD?), followed by the Gospels. 60 AD is 30 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus, not a long gap. Purgatory was unknown. Indulgences were unknown. Penances were unknown. Confession to a priest was unknown. The Eucharist was “Thanksgiving”. Baptism was done to believers.
Given that Paul claims to have taught “the whole counsel of God”, and John wrote, “Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works” - 2 John - it seems reasonable to question those practices.
And when I am told no Pope has ever taught error, it seems appropriate to mention a Pope condemned by ecumenical counsel for teaching error. And when I am told that “The early Church established the sacraments based upon the specific teachings, words and activities of Jesus”, it seems appropriate to ask “Where?” Where do we find Penance? Where do we find confession to priests? Where do we find Priests? Where do we find Purgatory, etc?
“Jesus taught me to “Judge not lest ye be judged.”
Inside the Church, we are most certainly taught to judge the truth of doctrine, and hold to the truth. “12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.” - 1 Cor 5
“Where do you think you got that Bible you worship? Do you think it just dropped from heaven? Nope. It was collated by the Catholic Church. Sola Scriptura? Phui.”
I haven’t met anyone who worshiped the Bible. However, respect ought to be shown to what the word of God says, and all scripture is “God-breathed”.
It was also used as scripture for hundreds of years before the Catholic Church drew up a list of books. No one waited 400 years before citing the letters of Paul or the sayings of Jesus as authoritative!
“Lol ,,, these splits and divisions are all schisms from the one true Church established by Christ.”
A lie told often enough gets believed.
Well said!
Welcome home!
Now that you are back, it is incumbent on you to invest time in relearning (perhaps for the first time) what our church teaches. The best place to begin is with the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
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Please keep your personal "scholarly" fundamentalist rhetoric to yourself.. I'm not interested in boiler plate judgementalism attacking my faith which, if I'm not mistaken, is still the largest Christian denomination in the world.
Division within Christianity doesn't seem...at least to me what Christ intended. Mankind, in the 16th century fractured the Christ's Church on earth. The errors were created by man then and even to this day. Satanic influence using man's "PRIDE", fragmented the Church built on the Rock. Martin Luther was right about the wrongs medieval men perpetrated in the faith but that holy and pious monk considered himself still a Catholic until his last breath.
Mankind's weaknesses were evident even by Peter during Jesus' passion. My faith is unmoved by your self "scholarly" diatribe. My faith is based on 2000 years of sacramental and apostolic ritual handed down by clergy by the "Laying of the Hands" on every priest from the beginning to the very present. The Catholic Church didn't begin with some modern "REFORMER" founding a seminary teaching self professed doctrine of self professed "truths". The Church instituted by Christ WILL survive and the gates of Hell WILL NOT prevail against it.
Indulgences were extortion created by corrupted medieval men.
I do not worship the Bible. I worship God. I worship the same God you do, Three Persons in one nature. I recite the Apostles’ Creed and the Nicene Creed and mean every word of it. Christ Jesus is my Savior and Lord.
I believe that the Bible is the Inspired Word of God; it is not my God. The Bible interprets itself. It is open to all to read.
Tradition is useful. We Lutherans, for example, and the Anglicans before the main church grew heretic, never abandoned much of the Catholic tradition, merely corrected the errors that had come into the Church's viewpoint. (Indulgences, anyone?)
We are fellow Christians. The Bishop of Rome says so. We aren't in formal communion, and we can't be because we believe in consubstantiation instead of transubstantiation. I would suggest saving your ammo for the Muslim and atheist enemies of Christ. We Protestants are your allies and brothers, not heretics to be stamped out.
I entered this thread when MY beliefs were attacked. Read thru many of the comments at the opening of this thread - I have the right to defend my beliefs from attacks by Catholics.
YOUR first comment on this thread was an attack on Anglicans - and while I most definitely NOT Anglican, those who attack shouldn’t whine if someone jumps in and responds. If you don’t want a fight, don’t pick one.
Sex offenders destroying another church. 1st Catholics, then ...........................
The Catholic church is indeed the largest church in the world.. and the LDS and JW’s aren’t far behind.. all three are totally man-made/false religions.
If God tells us His plan of salvation.. that is THE plan of salvation.. and who are any of the above mentioned religions (or anyone else) to say differently? They’re all ‘Pharisee-esque’ thinkers. There is NO DEGREE of sin in the eyes of the Lord.. yet, the Catholics teach something contrary to that truth, ie. “Cardinal” sin.. “Grave” sin. All 3 religions were devised to keep the masses ‘in line’.. all in the name of God. We don’t need to tell a priest or anyone else our business.. much less, our sins. We are not to pray to Mother Mary. She is not a “liaison” between us and God. Jesus is the liaison between us and the WAGES of sin (and spiritual death).. in FACT, we can pray directly to Jesus... as He IS GOD!..ie. 1/3rd of the TRINITY.. co-equal with the other 2/3rd’s.. God, the Father.. and the Holy Spirit. Catholics, JW’s and the LDS churches all teach something different from those truths... Muslims, too!.. not to mention all the eastern mysticism religions. I sincerely believe that there are way more people burning in hell than there are people in Heaven.. ie. the ‘narrow’ path vs the ‘wide’ path.
My Bible plainly states that all one needs is in the Bible.. nothing more, nothing less... and if anyone adds to or takes away from it, the bad things written in the Bible will happen to that person.
There is only 1 way to eternal salvation.. and “good works” and/or “living a righteous life” have NOTHING to do with it. After one becomes ‘saved’ (per God’s divine plan of salvation).. works, righteous living and obedience to God’s Word are paramount to having joy, happiness and a fullfilled life... and one is adding to their “Crown of Righteousness”.. which is totally a seperate thing from “The Righteousness of God.”
Eternal salvation is a “gift” from God. It is the ‘gift of grace’... grace is undeserved pardon’.. and a gift is something freely given, something one does not work for. If one had to work for their salvation, it wouldn’t be a gift.. but, ‘compensation’ and God owes us NOTHING. We can work our fannies off for the Lord and still NEVER make the grade. We can never be righteous enough on our own.. we need Jesus Christ. True, He died for the sins of the whole world.. but, we have to ACCEPT is for ourselves as individuals.. as it’s not a “group-think” decision. The Bible teached baptism by full emersion... yet, the Catholics teach that if a newborn is ‘Christened’, they are saved.. and that is grossly inaccurate. That would be considered as “dedicating one’s child to the Lord.” Salvation is a decision one makes for Christ for themselves.. and no one can make that decision for anyone else. Infants and children who have yet to reach the age of accountability cannot make that decision.. but, are indeed already covered in the shed Blood of Jesus Christ. In other words, until one reaches the age of accountability.. if they sould pass away, they will go to Heaven.
The Catholic church is the largest church in the world... but, who’s world is it? Satan couldn’t care less as to how he takes anyone to hell, just so he takes you there. He is the ‘master of lies and deception’.. and he’s got many Christians (and I utilize that term quite loosly) fooled.
One can have Jesus all day long.. but, if one believes that there are two parts to the plan of salvation, ie. acceptance of Jesus Christ.. and ‘works’.. or even if a person believes that they can “fall from grace” or otherwise ‘lost their salvation’.. I think they’re lost. Pentacostals and Assemblies of God teach those UN-TRUTHS.
There is a lot of blatant TRUTH in practically ALL religions. Thats how satan works... inter-twining truth with lies.
If a person is ‘actively’ gay and they have indeed made a profession of faith in Jesus Christ, they’re saved! There is NO SIN that can ‘trump’ what Jesus did for us on the Cross @ Calvary... and God is not an “Indian-giver.” He holds no respect of person and a ‘white lie’ and murder are all the same in His eyes.
Technically... it’s all really so very easy that the masses just don’t get it. We have been desensitized in thinking that ‘nothing is free’... but, salvation is indeed FREE to those who accept. Jesus paid the debt for us. It’s a gift.. those who accept it, have it... those who reject it, don’t.
I pass on this bit of fabulous truth with much love. We’re all adults.. and I’m not one to candy-coat. I am very much aware the fact that I am indeed responsible and will be held accountable should I mislead anyone. None of what I’ve shared is ‘intellect’... but, a Holy Ghost eye-opening.
I am not a lesbian.. and I don’t judge homosexual people. I don’t JUDGE PEOPLE... but, I do indeed make major discernments about what people are taught Biblically. The Catholics have their own version of the Bible and a “supplement” as well. The JW’s have their own “New World” translation, which changes doctrine from God’s Word.. and they have their own supplement... and the Mormons have THE Bible.. yet, also the ‘Book of Mormon.’ We can never “pray someone into Heaven.” If one believes that we can, they’re lost.. and so are the one’s who teach such non-sense.
The only unforgivable sin is ‘not accepting God’s freely given gift of grace by faith in Jesus Christ. By rejecting that is what takes one to HELL! Lots of really good, noble and nice people burning in hell as I type these truths. And lots of unrighteous, filthy as shop-rags and unworthy people as myself in Heaven.. as they accepted Jesus and therefore, are righteous IN HIM... clean, IN HIM... and MOST-WORTHY, IN HIM!!!
Peace be with you... now leave me and my faith alone.
By the way.. I didn’t attack anyone. I stated an historical fact in the context of reformation activities. Henry the 8th did create the Anglican schism because the Pope wouldn’t allow him to divorce.
Snicker!
No matter how many have "slipped through the cracks", you have to give the Catholic Church props for not saying it is right.
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