Posted on 12/05/2009 4:29:16 PM PST by Fenhalls555
The worldwide Anglican Church has been plunged into a fresh crisis after a lesbian was chosen as its second gay bishop.
In a move that will dismay the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, Canon Mary Glasspool was elected as an assistant bishop for the diocese of Los Angeles.
The Rev Rod Thomas, the leader of the conservative evangelical group Reform and a member of the General Synod, said: ‘I feel deeply ashamed that this is happening in the Anglican Church.
‘I think a schism is absolutely inevitable.’
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
I thought the Metropolitan Church of Universalist Unitarians and Secular Something-or-Others had a corner on that one.
These people have lost their reason.
No, I do not. The Anglican Church doesn’t give a rat’s rear end about scripture, so why should I be surprised?
Besides, what guarantee do you have that the Magisterium won’t ‘unfold’ the idea of loving one another to include allowing homosexuality? The principle is the same - abandon scripture, which doesn’t change, and anything goes.
There was a time all Protestants were destined to burn in hell, until Vatican 2 decided that maybe some Protestants just didn’t understand the Pope’s authority, and were unwitting Christians outside the Catholic Church’s full fellowship.
The evolving doctrine of the Catholic Church allows most anything to happen in the future, depending on what seed the Magisterium decides is ready to blossom. And given the number of gay priests, are you REALLY certain that openly gay priests won’t someday bloom?
Wasn’t it Chesterton who said something to the effect that when people reject God, they lose their reason (common sense)?
From Leviticus to the Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, God has been consistent about how He felt about homosexuality. But it fits into a nutshell right here in Corinthians.
1 Cor. 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
The Word is clear. Unrepentant (practicing) homosexuals who die in their sin, GO TO HELL. They can go to church, they can call themselves a Christian...but if they are practicing homosexuals when they die—they will spend eternity in Hell.
This passage lists a number of sins that offer the same consequences for unrepentance. An unrepentant thief goes straight to hell as well.
BUT, no other sin listed in that passage has a number of followers out to forcibly legalize their sin-calling sin a civil right.
When Jesus stopped the stoning of the adulteress, He told her to. “Go and sin no more.” Repentance doesn’t mean perfection, or a lack of struggle...The sin must stop! If a gay or lesbian isn’t even attempting to stop the sin-They will burn: end of story.
The Bible is not a politically correct document. God doesn’t care about the opinions of kings or pop culture. The Bible is God’s divine revelation to man. A person does not get to pick and chose which of God’s Words he wants to believe. It’s all or nothing. Being a fundamentalist is believing that God meant what He said.
The bottom line is this: Jesus can transform you into a new being. If He can take a drunkard from this list and give that person the strength to throw off the chains of addiction, so God can transform the homosexual. It’s not by your strength, but by His.
It is amazing how a “Christian” church does not believe what is unambiguously printed in every translation of God’s word. When in doubt or when you start to feel sorry for the exclusion of homos read Romans chapter 1.
Hey NYER I look this way if some of member of Conservative part of the church want hook up with the Cathoics fine with me
That of our Lord. The Church is Christ's bride (Ephesians 5:29) and has "no spot, wrinkle or blemish" (Ephesians 5:27). Christ also stated that the gates of Hell will not prevail against His Church (Matthew 16:18) so how can the Church commit error? Scripture is pretty straightforward about the Church's role in salvation, Its authority and Its organization. It's all a matter of deductive reasoning, correct interpretation and pure logic.
So I fled to Ausgberg instead of crossing the Tiber. I became a Lutheran of the Missouri Synod.
In North America it has already happened and is pretty much over. The rest of the world-wide Anglican Communion, being a rather loose (and non-binding) association, has as yet not fully awakened/responded to this. And so they are now the ones sitting in the dock, from this Anglican's perspective.
It is possible to be an Anglican outside the wwAC. A concept difficult for Anglicans to accept.
“The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves”.
Isaiah 3, v9
Tradition is valuable but not authoritative. Only Scripture is authoritative. But you have to take Scripture as it is - the Word of God in print about the Word of God made flesh.
There were some homosexual bishops who slipped through the cracks in the Catholic Church at a time when dissent was on the rise. And they in turn evidently formed an underground network within the Church, which encouraged bringing more gays into the seminaries as priests. For the most part, that has now been corrected. Not entirely, because nothing human can be done perfectly in this world. But it has to be done VERY secretly if it still happens anywhere.
There is a great difference between that, and what happened in the Episcopal Church, where gays were made bishops explicitly and openly BECAUSE they were gay, and for no other reason. That was certainly the case with the bishop of New Hampshire, and it appears to be the case again here.
They are well aware that this will split the church and drive many out, but they don’t care.
“Christ also stated that the gates of Hell will not prevail against His Church (Matthew 16:18) so how can the Church commit error?”
First, the gates of hell do not attack the Church. Gates were the weak point in city walls, most likely to fall under attack. Jesus is talking about the Church on offense, not defense. Further, there is a case for saying the ‘gates of hell’ represent death, and He is assuring them that death will not prevail against Him - the next verse is “21 From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.”
Either way, there is no promise that men will not be able to screw things up in a hierarchical church. We are told that we will have a mixture of good seed and bad growing, and it won’t be separated until the end. Think about Popes who have been condemned, or when there were 2 Popes, and get back with me on how infallible the Catholic Church is promised to be!
In any case, a church that can invent Purgatory & Indulgences can invent ANYTHING. My guess is that there will be open homosexual Catholic priests within the next 100 years, given the example of other hierarchical churches (Episcopal and Anglican). And why not? After all, the NT doesn’t have ANY priests, gay or not. If you can invent priests, you can decide they need to be celibate, or gay, or whatever.
“Scripture is pretty straightforward about the Church’s role in salvation, Its authority and Its organization.”
Please show me the explicit teaching on Priests and Popes in Scripture.
but, the church in this article would say they are being scriptural...see, that is the beauty of sola scriptura, it can be made to say whatever your particular church wants it to mean...
the three-legged stool of scripture, sacred tradition and the devinely ordained church dont run into these issues.
Isn’t this the church founded by Henry the 8th? What would you expect....
Purgatory is probably a greater departure from Christianity than a gay Priest, particularly since the early church had no priests.
here is mr rogers with another of the tactics of sola scriptura, taking a well known, and historically known explaination, and using the powers of reinterpretation, as sola scriptura allows, makes it say something that can fit his particular view, in complete opposition to the historical church of even the first few centuries.
you need to study history, who do you think did the ‘gruntwork’ after the apostles appointed bishops and the bishops in turn appointed priests to minister the various churches.
I’ve studied both history AND capital letters...
If you have a problem with what I posted, try a reply rather than a personal attack.
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