Posted on 12/04/2009 8:07:39 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
I had not heard about this. Thanks for posting.
I see liberals constantly claiming that the bible isn’t written by God through man- and only liberals beleive that you can’t beleive the bible because supposedly, the ‘bible was written by fallible man alone. Well time to expose that LIE for what it is- Anti-Christian, Anti-God belief (After all, you can’t beleive in an infallible God if you doubt the very words of that same infallible God, and call into question His authority and word like liberals pretendign to be Christians often do)
Some people teach that the Bible writers never claimed to be inspired or directly guided by God. They say that neither the writers nor God viewed Scripture as a revelation of the mind of God which we should follow as a pattern for our lives. As such, they deny the infallible, inerrant, verbal inspiration of Scripture.
Other people say the Bible is inspired in that the writers did put down some of God’s ideas, but maybe men still put some of their own uninspired ideas in it. For example, maybe God just taught the men right ideas, but left them to express those ideas as they see best.
Others say the Bible writers speak the truth in matters of religious faith and morals, but when they speak about history or science they are writing as humans and may be wrong. Therefore, we cannot accept the Bible accounts of miracles and the lives of Bible characters as necessarily valid.
The results of these views of inspiration are that maybe there is some error in the words written by “inspired” men: maybe we can, even should, reject parts of it as not being true. Such views are called “modernism” or “liberalism.” Yet those who hold these views may still claim to be Christians who believe in God, Christ, and the Bible.
This study deals with the basic question: In what sense, or to what extent, is the Bible inspired? 1) Did the Bible writers really claim inspiration? Did they say that what they wrote was God’s will? 2) Did God actually guide the words the men chose in expressing the teachings (verbal inspiration)? 3) Could it be that some words in the writings of these men were true and accurate, but some may have been mistaken in some way? Or is the Bible an infallible and inerrant revelation?
Notice the subject as outlined for us in Revelation 19:9 - “These are true words of God.” [LINK]
A. Old Testament Writers Claimed Their Message Was from God
Isaiah 1:2 - The Lord has spoken.
Jeremiah 10:1,2 - Hear the word which the Lord speaks. Thus says the Lord...
Ezekiel 1:3 - The word of the Lord came expressly.
Hosea 1:1,2 - The word of the Lord that came ... the Lord began to speak by Hosea, the Lord said...
Jonah 1:1 - The word of the Lord came to Jonah.
Micah 1:1 - The word of the Lord that came to Micah.
Zech. 1:1 - The word of the Lord came to Zechariah.
[See also Joel 1:2; Amos 1:3,6, etc; Obad. 1:1; Zeph. 1:1; Hab. 2:2; Deuteronomy 30:9,10; Numbers 12:6-8; 23:5,12,16,19; plus see references in other sections.]
B. New Testament Writers Claimed Their Message Was from God
1 Corinthians 14:37 - The things I write are commands of Lord.
Ephesians 3:3-5 - The things Paul wrote were made known to him by revelation. Formerly these things were not known but have now been revealed by the Spirit to apostles & prophets.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 - We say by the word of the Lord.
1 Timothy 4:1 - The Spirit expressly says.
[2 Thessalonians 3:12; John 12:48-50; Acts 16:32; Romans 1:16; 1 Thessalonians 1:5]
C. Inspired Men Claimed that What Other Writers Wrote Was from God.
Matthew 1:22 - A quotation was spoken by the Lord through the prophet.
Matthew 2:15 - Another passage was spoken by the Lord through the prophet.
Acts 1:16 - The Spirit spoke by the mouth of David.
Acts 28:25 - The Holy Spirit spoke by Isaiah ... prophet.
Hebrews 1:1,2 - God spoke in times past to the fathers by prophets. But now He has spoken to us by His Son.
Matthew 15:4 - Jesus Himself confirmed that Scriptures were from God. He quoted the Law revealed through Moses and said it was what God commanded.
Matthew 22:29-32 - He said the Scriptures were spoken by God.
Luke 10:16 - He also confirmed the inspiration of the New Testament for He told the apostles who wrote it: He who hears you, hears Me; he who rejects you rejects Me and rejects Him who sent Me
John 16:13 - He promised the men who penned the New Testament that the Spirit would guide them into all truth
To deny or question that the Bible writers spoke from God is to deny and reject the truthfulness of their own statements about themselves, their statements about one another, and Jesus’ statements about Scriptures.
[Matthew 19:4-6; John 10:35; 2 Chronicles 34:14-19; Isaiah 2:1-3; Matthew 22:43; Romans 1:1,2; Hebrews 3:7; 1 Peter 1:10-12; 2 Peter 1:20f; 3:15f; Acts 4:24f]
[LINK] to above quotes http://www.gospelway.com/bible/bible_inspiration.php
“The YECers are not "boogeymen!" They are not "attacking" you. It's all in your own imagination.” [excerpt]Oh, um, so you think maybe I should quit barging out from under CW's bed in the middle of the night?
Why do you worship a book?
why do you keep askign stupid questions and implying htigns that aren’t true? Oh, that’s right- you’re an evo- carry on- Tactic noted and ignored
[[Oh, um, so you think maybe I should quit barging out from under CW’s bed in the middle of the night?]]
Nah- keep doign what it is you’re doing- it’s working- He’s losing his mind just as planned- woops- did I say that out loud?
“Some aquatic life perished, but they didn’t die out as a species. There are likely hundreds of thousands of undiscovered species living at or under the bottom of the ocean.”
How did aquatic life survive the heat and vulcanism associated with moving continents thousands of miles in a year or so?
"The continually progressive change to which the meaning of words is subject, the want of a universal language which renders translation necessary, the errors to which translations are again subject, the mistakes of copyists and printers, together with the possibility of willful alteration, are of themselves evidences that the human language, whether in speech or in print, cannot be the vehicle of the Word of God. The Word of God exists in something else."
Thomas Paine
The Age of Reason
If the truth bothers you that much, I’m sure the Amish will take you.
The Beast also knows every word of the bible - forward and back...
Try again.
As a general rule, I don’t read the Bible. I have read Revelations. But feel free to send me all the parts relating to science found in the Bible.
Which parts are okay to call right? Who knows? You certainly don't. No one does.
You don't speak for this Christian. Embarrass yourself if you will, my response will be to prayer for you, then go back to ignoring these silly threads.
The Age of the Universe
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1576941/posts
This list is by no means complete. There are a lot of verses in various parts of the Bible that make reference to different aspects of the natural world.
The health standards for the Israelites reflect an awareness of the proper hygiene that they could not have know, even though the cause wasn't specifically addressed.
And there's no way that anyone if even coming close to pretending that we can learn about all the science we need to know through the Bible. That is just disingenuous to portray the creationist position that way.
However, in the areas where science is addressed, it is accurate and displays a knowledge of the world that the ancients did not have a way of gathering. They could not have know some of the things that they were inspired to write because the knowledge and technology just wasn't there.
So, no, there's no periodic table in the Bible, which is a ridiculous contention by those who wish to discredit it. But there is plenty of other information.
You might also consider reading the last few chapters of the book of Job, from chapter 38 on to the end.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning.....
There was a beginning supported by the Big Bang Theory and Einstein’s equations and Hubble’s observations.
Gen 1:2 The earth was formless and void,...
Supported by the solar nebula theory and the proto earth.
Gen 1:20 ”Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures,
Scientists say that life arose in the seas.
Gen 1:24 ”Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind...
Gen 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground,
“Shaped from clay [origin of life]” http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1515522/posts
Scientists have concluded that clay was necessary for the formation of life.
Eccles 1:6 Blowing toward the south, Then turning toward the north, The wind continues swirling along; And on its circular courses the wind returns.
Scripture describes the circulating system of winds.
Eccles 1:7 All the rivers flow into the sea, Yet the sea is not full. To the place where the rivers flow, There they flow again.
The Bible also describes the water cycle.
Lev 17:10 - 12 `And any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who eats any blood, I will set My face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people. `For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement.’ “Therefore I said to the sons of Israel, `No person among you may eat blood, nor may any alien who sojourns among you eat blood.’
Blood is necessary for life. The life is in the blood.
Isa 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
Earth is round. Could also refer to the orbit of the earth as seen from space.
Job 9 5, 8 ”It is God who removes the mountains, they know not how, When He overturns them in His anger; 8.Who alone stretches out the heavens And tramples down the waves of the sea;
The expansion of the universe.
Col 1: 15- 17 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
All things are being held together; gravitation, strong and weak nuclear forces, magnetism.
The link to the * Age of the Universe* thread goes into quite some detail about scientific insight gained by people.
Dr. Schoeder is a PhD at MIT. His credentials are at the bottom of the article.
I have no problem with Bible readers or other religious people. I do have problems with people who are so engrossed in their religion they throw out all common sense. But I’m far more enraged by the holier-than-thou types who think God has given them a special place and everybody else who does not believe exactly the things they believe is condemned to that fiery lake they love to talk about so much. I thoroughly detest these people.
No, not really. Though CW did recommend that I should start hanging out with Amish people.... I do not consider that response, er, very responsive to my question. The only responsive way to answer it would have been to give an example of GGG "attacking".... Instead, he changed the subject.
But of course, this is a stock tactic with people who don't have a clue how to engage in a rational debate. It's the classic Spitwad Gambit.
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