Climategate Will Now Hit the EPA (PJM Exclusive)

Pajamas Media ^ | 12-02-09 | Alan Carlin

[thouworm]

The emails and computer files from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) in Great Britain may prove to be of some importance to the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) current attempts to control greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act.

This is because the EPA — perhaps at the urging of others in the Obama administration — has proposed to regulate GHG emissions on the basis of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports … and reports primarily based on the IPCC reports.

This is highly unusual for the EPA. I cannot think of any instance where the EPA depended so heavily on non-EPA synthesis reports to justify proposed regulatory action in their almost 39 years of existence.

As a result of this EPA decision, the EPA’s fortunes in regard to regulating GHGs are directly tied to the fate of the IPCC reports.

[Old Professer]

When this authority to regulate GHGs passes to EPA, not if, we will see the ultimate irony as the first lawyers to hit the court door to sue them will likely be the the NRDC formed coincidently with the EPA under Nixon.

The second wave, made up of the deniers will be a double-barreled attack that will blow the heart clean out the bared breast of this lumbering beast.

There’ll be green blood in the streets of D.C.

[thouworm]

From Freeper PatriciaRuth:

A terrific video lecture to be seen at this URL about how global temperatures are linked to cosmic rays creating more clouds when the sun's magnetic field periodically weakens. No evidence that CO2 is involved in controlling climate.

CLOUD research at CERN

[thouworm]

From Freeper stephenjohnbanker:
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Water vapor constitutes Earth’s most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth’s greenhouse effect . Interestingly, many ‘facts and figures’ regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

Water vapor is 99.999% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4), nitrous oxide (N2O), and miscellaneous other gases (CFC’s, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin (except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic).

Human activities contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small— perhaps undetectable— effect on global climate.

LINK

[thouworm]

From Freeper TigersEye:

Carbon Dioxide irrelevant in climate debate says MIT Scientist

[thouworm]

When this authority to regulate GHGs passes to EPA, not if,

They must be stopped. BTW: what is "NRDC"?

[thouworm]

Thanks for update & fresh post.

[ETL]

Thanks for that link! I’ve posted a lot on this subject.

Here below is a related video one from YouTube. I’m not sure if it’s the same or not, because I haven’t watched either yet.

Date- 11th Nov, 2009:

“An update regarding the CLOUD (Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets) experiment at CERN.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8E0FXbBuc

[thouworm]

New THREAD on that subject by Freeper TsonicTsunami08:
Can and will the SCOTUS rescind Co2 as a POLLUTANT ?

In one of the most important decisions in environmental law , the US Supreme Court has ruled [3 April 2007] that carbon dioxide (CO2) is a pollutant and that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has the right to regulate CO2 emissions from new cars.

THREAD
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Helpful post & comments from Freeper TXnMA from same thread:

It just so happens that, for an earlier discussion, I grabbed an image of the intro to the "majority" decision:

This is an obvious example of the CRU/IPCC fraud being swallowed whole -- and malapplied to law. This is a SCOTUS decision that MUST be challenged and reversed!

Of course, in this scientist's opinion, the SCOTUS has zero business ruling on matters of scientific fact or interpretation...

IMHO, the above is simply a prime example of leftist "legislation from the bench"!
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"Respected scientists" -- like h3||!!!

[thouworm]

From that link in Post22:

No evidence that CO2 is involved in controlling climate.

see SCOTUS Post #28!
"well-documented rise in global temperatures"

Colossal FRAUD! This must be revisited.

[thouworm]

Meant to ping you to post #28

[ETL]

Re: ‘No evidence that CO2 is involved in controlling climate’

Lol! I’ve posted a lot on that too. When I have more time I’ll see if I can locate threads where I posted them and link them here (cosmic ray theory and the C02 hoax).

[TigersEye]

I don’t know how I get any credit for that but thank you. I do have that thread bookmarked. The article is a good one.

[opentalk]

Thanks for the ping, interesting.

[thouworm]

...and the absolute outrage that SCOTUS would adjudicate “science,” -— and, moreover, treat the “settled science” debate as if it had occurred in a vacuum-— apart from politics, left-wing agenda, global power grab and ulterior profit motives having nothing to do with science. SCOTUS is the body living in a vacuum.

I am interested in knowing what the dissenting opinion (if any) said.

[thouworm]

Correction to post #24 mix-up.

Sorry Danae: I linked to your thread & attributed it to TigersEye.

TigersEye: I think you linked to Danae’s thread on another thread and I attributed it to you.

[TigersEye]

I’ll take what I can get. lol

[thouworm]

that phrase “judicial fluke” is alarming. All the tentacles of ClimateFraud have to be lopped off, so this beast can shrivel up and die. (from my post #15).

Fred Nerks: Just peruse the mess we in the US have made (and Oz has apparently avoided) -— the tentacles!!! and SCOTUS!

[Fred Nerks]

thanks for the ping, I cannot believe what I am reading here, what a mess!

good news from Oz however:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2397804/posts?page=37#37

PS. New Leader of the conservative coalition says; THERE WILL BE NO EMMISSIONS TRADING SYSTEM!

[thouworm]

I saw that; that’s why I pinged you-—so you could gloat! lol