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Clemmons shot [and killed] by police
Seattle Times ^ | 12/01/2009 | Jennifer Sullivan

Posted on 12/01/2009 3:41:33 AM PST by ArcadeQuarters

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To: LucyJo; Just Lori

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/78211742.html

A link from another thread (thanks Just Lori).

This officer IS BLESSED!!

He noticed movement BEHIND him as he did the routine paperwork on an empty stolen vehicle. The scum was sneeking up behind him but the officer “saw movement”.


181 posted on 12/01/2009 12:02:01 PM PST by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: 21twelve

yes. Thanks for pointing this out. This officer was very blessed to not be added to the victim list.


182 posted on 12/01/2009 12:10:54 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: 21twelve

In the article they talk about the way bond can be made on a holiday. That was a first mistake.
Then the bail was posted way too low...second mistake.


183 posted on 12/01/2009 12:12:16 PM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: Yossarian
Bill the family for the bullets.
184 posted on 12/01/2009 12:13:18 PM PST by MaxMax (Obamao can't play in the Olympic reindeer games)
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To: top 2 toe red

I see Huckabee Derangement Syndrome is about as extreme a disease as Bush Derangement Syndrome.

If it had only been Huckabee’s commutation of the sentence, this guy would never have gotten out the door, or not for a long time, by which time the fact that he was crazy would have shown up. He was released and actually sent out of state to his family in WA, was rearrested numerous times in the intervening 9 years (and could have been returned to jail in AR for any of those arrests), and was actually under very major charges at the time he killed the police officers. The judge had denied him bail when he was arrested on those charges, but then another judge came along and granted bail. Two psychiatrists just two weeks ago said that he was a danger to others and should not be free.

So what was going on with this? Or maybe you think Huckabee was making midnight phone calls to the judge in WA State? Face it, the system is broken on a lot more levels than one governor’s foolish “compassionate conservative” decision.


185 posted on 12/01/2009 12:22:44 PM PST by livius
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To: votemout

Huckabee is toast. No matter how he explains his actions, he loses. He should of thought of this when he signed the commutation of this killer’s sentance.


186 posted on 12/01/2009 12:51:22 PM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

ditto


187 posted on 12/01/2009 12:53:07 PM PST by votemout
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To: livius

Yep! The whole system is screwy sometimes.


188 posted on 12/01/2009 12:56:21 PM PST by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: 21twelve

Yes, he is blessed.

It seemed as if providence was at work from the theft of the unreliable car to the ending of the confrontation with patrolman Kelly.


189 posted on 12/01/2009 1:02:39 PM PST by LucyJo
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To: TomGuy

Must have been easy to be forgiving when he was in the gated security of a governor’s mansion. The victims don’t have the opportunity to be as holy.


190 posted on 12/01/2009 1:12:52 PM PST by ArcadeQuarters (Obama lies.)
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To: RangerM; livius

FACT: had Huckabee let justice be properly served (no commutation of sentence) this POS would not have been out of prison for many many more years, if ever.

Yes, it is also a fact that the system is “broken” in virtually every state, local, and federal type of jurisdiction due to decades of soft-headed liberal b.s. So, yes, there are many more problems to be addressed at all levels, and most obviously in WA state where this POS was handled with kid gloves and worse. The judge who let someone with the Clemmons record out on bail when facing about a 50th “strike

Responsibility in a long chain of events need not be all one or all another person or institution. The fact that others should also have acted later to make sure this POS did not get back on the streets does not in any way diminish Huckabee’s responsibility. This case proved that he is part of the squishy squalid liberalism that has coddled monster criminals for far too long.

Yes, my “ulterior” motive is trying to see all of our fellow citizens, not to mention my own circle of family and friends, much better protected from rabid criminals who are already known to be such. It’s one thing to debate whether someone who made one mistake has the potential to reform and go straight .... someone with Clemmons’ record should never have been let out before the end of a sentence, period. I for one will never support or vote for Huckabee for anything. [well maybe if the only alternative is worse, the “hold my nose” kind of vote.... but certainly not to see him get any kind of R. nomination or conservative support in advance of that kind of election dilemma]


191 posted on 12/01/2009 1:13:04 PM PST by Enchante (Obama to Jihad Terrorists: Come to NYC and Propagate Your Message - I Am Only Too Happy To Help You)
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To: Yossarian

The Huckster’s chances for the White House just left town.


192 posted on 12/01/2009 1:16:13 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Stay armed. Buy bullets. Buy guns. Protect yourself - the government isn't.)
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To: Enchante

Yes, you’re right, if you’re into playing “Six Hundred Degees of Mike Huckabee”.

Best of luck to you finding the perfect candidate.


193 posted on 12/01/2009 1:20:24 PM PST by RangerM (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost.)
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To: RangerM

Please. Don’t you think that “six hundred degrees” is just a ***slight*** exaggeration??? It’s not “six hundred degrees” if you are trying to make it some utterly remote connection between Huckabee and what happened in WA. I’m not one who says Huckabee “pulled the trigger” — but the nexus of moral and political responsibility is far closer (imho) than you claim. Huckabee’s aggressively permissive policies were recognized as such by many at the time, and he made a habit of them. No doubt many others bear much blame in AR and WA and everywhere else in the country (across many different cases).

The fact is that Huckabee was the executive official who issued more commutations and pardons than the 6 surrounding states combinded (TX, LA, TN, MS, MO, OK) in the same time period — even those 6 surrounding states have 17 times the population of Arksansas and presumably somewhere close to 17 times the number of depraved and chronic criminals as AR.


194 posted on 12/01/2009 1:27:58 PM PST by Enchante (Obama to Jihad Terrorists: Come to NYC and Propagate Your Message - I Am Only Too Happy To Help You)
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To: livius
Huckabee Derangement Syndrome my a$$!

What is so hard about this for you to grasp?!?!?...had huckabee DONE NOTHING, the killer would still be behind bars!!! PERIOD!!! End of story!!! DUH!!!

195 posted on 12/01/2009 1:30:02 PM PST by top 2 toe red (Not supporting a corrupt, Marxist, Socialist President makes me a racist?!? Then a racist I am!!!)
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To: RangerM

“It’s idiotic to think that Huckabee would knowingly (or negligently) put a monster like that back on the street.”

Is it idiotic to acknowledge that Huck would knowingly put thousands, or hundreds of thousands, of criminal Mexicans on America’s streets? He said he would. The man has no discernment, and I hope the Clemmons thing has closed the door on him running for any office ever again.


196 posted on 12/01/2009 1:51:11 PM PST by MayflowerMadam (If it's not close, they can't cheat.)
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To: Enchante

Ok, perhaps a slight exaggeration, however the level of “perfection” that many seem to expect would be hard-pressed to find in anyone up to Jesus Christ.

BUT, you must agree that there is a 9-year separation between Huckabee’s commutation, and the murders of the officers. Can anyone know the ramifications of their actions nine years in advance? NOTE: That is not intended to minimize the impact on the victims in this case; they’ve suffered enough.

I don’t disagree that Huckabee used poor judgement in commuting the sentence of this killer based on the outcome, however I refuse to put the proximity of the blame on Huckabee, any more than I would Bush for 9/11 and that infamous intelligence report from Summer, 2001. There was no actionable information regarding the 9/11 attacks in that report. Was there in this case? I don’t know. The parole board (at the time) didn’t seem to think so, and they (after all) were the ones who set him free. (while he still had a significant portion of his 47-year sentence left)

Huckabee deserves his share of the blame, for which I happen to believe he believes (from what I could tell based on the interview with O’Reilly last night and Boortz today). He just doesn’t deserve as much as he his getting.

For me, many of the posts in these threads take the appearance of dancing on Huckabee’s political grave, when in reality they are dancing on the graves of those police officers (to find fault with Huckabee).


197 posted on 12/01/2009 1:55:01 PM PST by RangerM (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost.)
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To: MayflowerMadam

Read the last line in Post #197.

I’m referring to (people like) you.


198 posted on 12/01/2009 2:05:31 PM PST by RangerM (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost.)
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To: BinaryBoy

Darn. What a waste of a young life, instead of shooting him they could have used him for crocadile bait and got some good use out of him.


199 posted on 12/01/2009 2:07:46 PM PST by BlueStateBlues (Blue State business, Red State heart. . . . .Palin 2012----can't come soon enough!)
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To: BinaryBoy

I hope they bury him in WA so I can piss on his grave.


200 posted on 12/01/2009 2:22:45 PM PST by matt1234
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